Thanks for the explanation João. I will redo my gedcom. Tish On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 4:36 AM, João Ventura <[email protected]> wrote:
> Cheri, > > When I export anonymized information for the living in a GEDCOM, there's > no 'flag' saying: "please mark this private", which FTDNA can then toggle > to make public again. > > It goes out like this: > > 0 INDI I02 > 1 NAME [Living] /Sousa/ > 2 GIVN [Living] > 2 SURN Sousa > 1 FAMS F01 > 2 FAMC F02 > > That's all there is to it, the full entry for that individual. There's no > way that anyone can ever toggle that info to get the info I wanted private > (like birthdates). Since it's never there in the first place. As it should > never be. If it's information that you deem private enough, it should never > leave your PC. Exporting it with all details, and then trusting a third > party (in this case FTDNA) to keep that info hidden is asking for trouble. > They may have problems in their software, and your data will be exposed to > others. Your password may be easy to guess and someone could try to hack > into your account (just ask all the celebrities that had their nude > pictures published on the Internet recently). A disgruntled employee may > keep a copy of the database and release it to the public when they leave > the company (yes, I trust that FTDNA has checks in place to prevent that, > but still...). > > João Ventura > http://tombo.pt/en > > On Monday, 15 September 2014 21:25:59 UTC+2, Cheri Mello wrote: >> >> Joao C. Ventura (Tombo guy) can explain it better. It's not FTDNA. It's >> the way computer programming works. >> >> If you tell a computer program to do something (in this case, hide a >> birthdate), and then you take that information and tell a 2nd computer >> program to hide the birthdate again, we as humans know what we want. We >> want to be sure that the birthdate is hidden. But with computer >> programming, it only knows 2 things: Off or on (binary code). So in one >> program, you turn it off, send it to the other program and turn it off >> again, it can't. It can only do the opposite and turn in on. It's like a >> light switch. You can turn it on and the light does not go on (burned out >> bulb). You can't turn it on again to be sure it's on. You can only turn >> it off and then try to turn it on again. That's what it's like (sorta) with >> computer programming. I'm not a computer programmer. I took a BASIC class >> over 30 years ago. Joao (Tombo) can give a much more correct explanation. >> You can't tell a computer program to do the same thing twice after it did >> it the first time. >> >> That's why I recommend that you just leave the dates in your program ON. >> Export them out. It's fine. Upload it to FTDNA and turn it OFF there. If >> you have clean data entry, it will work. And if you don't like what you >> see, play with the privacy settings or take your tree down until they are >> done tweaking it more. But they won't be able to make it hide a date after >> you've hidden it on your end. It just the nature of computer programming. >> >> I need to get lunch and go to work. I'll have to play around in a tree >> to make a better explanation. >> >> Cheri >> >> On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Tish M <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Marilyn, Thank you for your input. I agree with you. Maybe I will do the >>> same. I guess I just don't like having to manipulate my data because the >>> programers can't get their act together. Personally, I don't know why they >>> changed their trees in the first place. I think they just thought adding >>> bells and whistles would get them more "passengers" people to sign up to do >>> DNA. I think they should look to their credibility as a DNA testing site, >>> but I do understand their dilemma. >>> Oh well... >>> Tish >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Marilyn Thompson <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Tish >>>> >>>> I understand your frustraion. So I am only including myself without >>>> full birth information, then my deceased parents and ancestors to my >>>> GEDCOM. I am not adding my living cousins (other than those tested) as >>>> their deceased parents are showing and I figure if someone gets that >>>> close, they can tell where we match or not at that point. That way I >>>> do not have to worry about private or not private. Yes it will take me >>>> a little more to prepare the GEDCOM but then I know what is showing. >>>> This is my solution until I find a better one. >>>> >>>> I do know that if I want to match up to the 2 cousins that I have had >>>> tested, I will have to include them in my database, but will do it >>>> without there full birth information (year only). >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Tish M <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > João misinterpreted my statement. The breach of privacy isn't the >>>> fault of >>>> > the company, it's with the IT's. I am very much a fan of the company, >>>> I have >>>> > had nothing but positive feedback from them. The people they have got >>>> to do >>>> > their programing are the ones I'm hot at (throw a rotten egg at them >>>> for >>>> > me). The "breach" I am talking about is this sort of thing. (They >>>> upload it >>>> > to FTDNA and they ask if you want the living to be marked private. >>>> So if >>>> > the user says yes again, it is UNMARKED private, because it undoes the >>>> > previous command/setting/tech thing.) >>>> > >>>> > The breach statement is that you have given them your name, your >>>> parents >>>> > name and in many cases all of your parents pertinent information >>>> (date of >>>> > birth, where they were born, etc.). Much of this type of information >>>> is used >>>> > (or used to be used) in setting up bank accounts, and who know what. >>>> I'm not >>>> > really saying these things are still used, but this type of >>>> information >>>> > could surely be used for identity theft, or some other scam where the >>>> > scammer has information you have unwittingly provided. They should >>>> have made >>>> > sure the program wasn't causing this type of information to get out no >>>> > matter what you checked. Maybe they should have had a pop up telling >>>> you >>>> > what you were about to do by checking private. I'm just frustrated >>>> with >>>> > their system and until it is fixed, this is my fix. >>>> > >>>> > Tish >>>> > João, in ways you are right. I can give them anything I want, but >>>> when I am >>>> > working with a company (who I trust) I expect that company to act >>>> with my >>>> > best interest at heart. In the further I will make my gedcom with my >>>> > parameters as I want them. I personally don't think I should have to >>>> do >>>> > this, but I get your point. I still does not change my stance at this >>>> time. >>>> > You say now no one can look at my stuff, this is true, but all they >>>> were >>>> > getting was PRIVATE when they looked anyhow. >>>> > >>>> > On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Joao C, >>>> >> >>>> >> Actually, FTDNA prefers that you NOT make it anonymous on your end >>>> when >>>> >> creating the Gedcom and then to chose the privacy settings when you >>>> upload >>>> >> it to their site. >>>> >> >>>> >> Many people mark the living private when creating the Gedcom. They >>>> upload >>>> >> it to FTDNA and they ask if you want the living to be marked >>>> private. So if >>>> >> the user says yes again, it is UNMARKED private, because it undoes >>>> the >>>> >> previous command/setting/tech thing. >>>> >> >>>> >> Tish, I don't understand why you say FTDNA is doing a breach to our >>>> >> privacy. They aren't installing anything on our computers. They >>>> aren't >>>> >> stealing banking info. They give us the choice as to what we want >>>> to share >>>> >> or not share. However, their directions about how to do it >>>> (paragraph >>>> >> above) isn't clear at all. >>>> >> >>>> >> All I know is that the IT/Engineering guys are going to have to wear >>>> a >>>> >> suit of armor from head to toe, because there are a lot of admins >>>> who are >>>> >> going to throw rotten tomatoes at them at the conference next >>>> month! LOL >>>> >> >>>> >> Cheri >>>> >> >>>> >> On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 12:14 AM, João Ventura <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Hi all, >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I find it interesting that it's their problem all of a sudden! >>>> >>> >>>> >>> YOU have uploaded data with private information to a third party. >>>> That >>>> >>> third party has decided to apply a filter on that data that you >>>> don't like. >>>> >>> Fine, So you decide to filter out everything on the data they >>>> present to >>>> >>> others. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Have you ever considered that you should have applied that filter >>>> BEFORE >>>> >>> you uploaded that data? I'm pretty sure your genealogy program >>>> allows you to >>>> >>> 'anonymise' living persons. Just export a GEDCOM filtered the way >>>> you like >>>> >>> at the source and you shouldn't need to worry about having FTDNA >>>> come up >>>> >>> with filters that suit your taste. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> João Ventura >>>> >>> http://tombo.pt/en >>>> >>> >>>> >>> On Sunday, 14 September 2014 23:55:41 UTC+2, sfig wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I have made everything private. Until they fix their problem I >>>> intend to >>>> >>>> do so. I feel their system is a breach of our privacy. >>>> >>>> Tish >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 1:41 AM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> I know. It feels like they released a beta to the public!! They >>>> know. >>>> >>>>> They have a bunch of admins up in arms. And the conference is >>>> next month. >>>> >>>>> IT/Engineering is going to have to go in body armor! Or they are >>>> going to >>>> >>>>> have to search us admins for rotten tomatoes because >>>> IT/Engineering may get >>>> >>>>> some!! >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Cheri Mello >>>> >>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>> >>>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das >>>> >>>>> Tainhas, Achada >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> -- >>>> >>>>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No >>>> Mail >>>> >>>>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this >>>> group at >>>> >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. 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