I find this all very confusing. Why hasn't ftDNA just taken all gedcom's off line?
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: > Joao, > > I know that TMG has an option to suppress the details of the living. I > believe the other genealogy programs do as well. I know when I've told > others not to mark private on their end but to do it when uploaded to FTDNA > it undid the setting. I understand what you mean by having the 3rd party > do it for you. Maybe they just shouldn't have that option at all and have > us do it on our end (but there are many who are uncomfortable making > Gedcoms). Might be something to bring up to them at the conference next > month. > > Cheri > > On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 4:36 AM, João Ventura <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Cheri, >> >> When I export anonymized information for the living in a GEDCOM, there's >> no 'flag' saying: "please mark this private", which FTDNA can then toggle >> to make public again. >> >> It goes out like this: >> >> 0 INDI I02 >> 1 NAME [Living] /Sousa/ >> 2 GIVN [Living] >> 2 SURN Sousa >> 1 FAMS F01 >> 2 FAMC F02 >> >> That's all there is to it, the full entry for that individual. There's no >> way that anyone can ever toggle that info to get the info I wanted private >> (like birthdates). Since it's never there in the first place. As it should >> never be. If it's information that you deem private enough, it should never >> leave your PC. Exporting it with all details, and then trusting a third >> party (in this case FTDNA) to keep that info hidden is asking for trouble. >> They may have problems in their software, and your data will be exposed to >> others. Your password may be easy to guess and someone could try to hack >> into your account (just ask all the celebrities that had their nude >> pictures published on the Internet recently). A disgruntled employee may >> keep a copy of the database and release it to the public when they leave >> the company (yes, I trust that FTDNA has checks in place to prevent that, >> but still...). >> >> João Ventura >> http://tombo.pt/en >> >> On Monday, 15 September 2014 21:25:59 UTC+2, Cheri Mello wrote: >>> >>> Joao C. Ventura (Tombo guy) can explain it better. It's not FTDNA. >>> It's the way computer programming works. >>> >>> If you tell a computer program to do something (in this case, hide a >>> birthdate), and then you take that information and tell a 2nd computer >>> program to hide the birthdate again, we as humans know what we want. We >>> want to be sure that the birthdate is hidden. But with computer >>> programming, it only knows 2 things: Off or on (binary code). So in one >>> program, you turn it off, send it to the other program and turn it off >>> again, it can't. It can only do the opposite and turn in on. It's like a >>> light switch. You can turn it on and the light does not go on (burned out >>> bulb). You can't turn it on again to be sure it's on. You can only turn >>> it off and then try to turn it on again. That's what it's like (sorta) with >>> computer programming. I'm not a computer programmer. I took a BASIC class >>> over 30 years ago. Joao (Tombo) can give a much more correct explanation. >>> You can't tell a computer program to do the same thing twice after it did >>> it the first time. >>> >>> That's why I recommend that you just leave the dates in your program >>> ON. Export them out. It's fine. Upload it to FTDNA and turn it OFF >>> there. If you have clean data entry, it will work. And if you don't like >>> what you see, play with the privacy settings or take your tree down until >>> they are done tweaking it more. But they won't be able to make it hide a >>> date after you've hidden it on your end. It just the nature of computer >>> programming. >>> >>> I need to get lunch and go to work. I'll have to play around in a tree >>> to make a better explanation. >>> >>> Cheri >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Tish M <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Marilyn, Thank you for your input. I agree with you. Maybe I will do >>>> the same. I guess I just don't like having to manipulate my data because >>>> the programers can't get their act together. Personally, I don't know why >>>> they changed their trees in the first place. I think they just thought >>>> adding bells and whistles would get them more "passengers" people to sign >>>> up to do DNA. I think they should look to their credibility as a DNA >>>> testing site, but I do understand their dilemma. >>>> Oh well... >>>> Tish >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Marilyn Thompson <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Tish >>>>> >>>>> I understand your frustraion. So I am only including myself without >>>>> full birth information, then my deceased parents and ancestors to my >>>>> GEDCOM. I am not adding my living cousins (other than those tested) as >>>>> their deceased parents are showing and I figure if someone gets that >>>>> close, they can tell where we match or not at that point. That way I >>>>> do not have to worry about private or not private. Yes it will take me >>>>> a little more to prepare the GEDCOM but then I know what is showing. >>>>> This is my solution until I find a better one. >>>>> >>>>> I do know that if I want to match up to the 2 cousins that I have had >>>>> tested, I will have to include them in my database, but will do it >>>>> without there full birth information (year only). >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Tish M <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > João misinterpreted my statement. The breach of privacy isn't the >>>>> fault of >>>>> > the company, it's with the IT's. I am very much a fan of the >>>>> company, I have >>>>> > had nothing but positive feedback from them. The people they have >>>>> got to do >>>>> > their programing are the ones I'm hot at (throw a rotten egg at them >>>>> for >>>>> > me). The "breach" I am talking about is this sort of thing. (They >>>>> upload it >>>>> > to FTDNA and they ask if you want the living to be marked private. >>>>> So if >>>>> > the user says yes again, it is UNMARKED private, because it undoes >>>>> the >>>>> > previous command/setting/tech thing.) >>>>> > >>>>> > The breach statement is that you have given them your name, your >>>>> parents >>>>> > name and in many cases all of your parents pertinent information >>>>> (date of >>>>> > birth, where they were born, etc.). Much of this type of information >>>>> is used >>>>> > (or used to be used) in setting up bank accounts, and who know what. >>>>> I'm not >>>>> > really saying these things are still used, but this type of >>>>> information >>>>> > could surely be used for identity theft, or some other scam where the >>>>> > scammer has information you have unwittingly provided. They should >>>>> have made >>>>> > sure the program wasn't causing this type of information to get out >>>>> no >>>>> > matter what you checked. Maybe they should have had a pop up telling >>>>> you >>>>> > what you were about to do by checking private. I'm just frustrated >>>>> with >>>>> > their system and until it is fixed, this is my fix. >>>>> > >>>>> > Tish >>>>> > João, in ways you are right. I can give them anything I want, but >>>>> when I am >>>>> > working with a company (who I trust) I expect that company to act >>>>> with my >>>>> > best interest at heart. In the further I will make my gedcom with my >>>>> > parameters as I want them. I personally don't think I should have to >>>>> do >>>>> > this, but I get your point. I still does not change my stance at >>>>> this time. >>>>> > You say now no one can look at my stuff, this is true, but all they >>>>> were >>>>> > getting was PRIVATE when they looked anyhow. >>>>> > >>>>> > On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 8:16 AM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Joao C, >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Actually, FTDNA prefers that you NOT make it anonymous on your end >>>>> when >>>>> >> creating the Gedcom and then to chose the privacy settings when you >>>>> upload >>>>> >> it to their site. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Many people mark the living private when creating the Gedcom. They >>>>> upload >>>>> >> it to FTDNA and they ask if you want the living to be marked >>>>> private. So if >>>>> >> the user says yes again, it is UNMARKED private, because it undoes >>>>> the >>>>> >> previous command/setting/tech thing. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Tish, I don't understand why you say FTDNA is doing a breach to our >>>>> >> privacy. They aren't installing anything on our computers. They >>>>> aren't >>>>> >> stealing banking info. They give us the choice as to what we want >>>>> to share >>>>> >> or not share. However, their directions about how to do it >>>>> (paragraph >>>>> >> above) isn't clear at all. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> All I know is that the IT/Engineering guys are going to have to >>>>> wear a >>>>> >> suit of armor from head to toe, because there are a lot of admins >>>>> who are >>>>> >> going to throw rotten tomatoes at them at the conference next >>>>> month! LOL >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Cheri >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 12:14 AM, João Ventura <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Hi all, >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> I find it interesting that it's their problem all of a sudden! >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> YOU have uploaded data with private information to a third party. >>>>> That >>>>> >>> third party has decided to apply a filter on that data that you >>>>> don't like. >>>>> >>> Fine, So you decide to filter out everything on the data they >>>>> present to >>>>> >>> others. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Have you ever considered that you should have applied that filter >>>>> BEFORE >>>>> >>> you uploaded that data? I'm pretty sure your genealogy program >>>>> allows you to >>>>> >>> 'anonymise' living persons. Just export a GEDCOM filtered the way >>>>> you like >>>>> >>> at the source and you shouldn't need to worry about having FTDNA >>>>> come up >>>>> >>> with filters that suit your taste. >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> João Ventura >>>>> >>> http://tombo.pt/en >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> On Sunday, 14 September 2014 23:55:41 UTC+2, sfig wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> I have made everything private. Until they fix their problem I >>>>> intend to >>>>> >>>> do so. I feel their system is a breach of our privacy. >>>>> >>>> Tish >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 1:41 AM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I know. It feels like they released a beta to the public!! >>>>> They know. >>>>> >>>>> They have a bunch of admins up in arms. And the conference is >>>>> next month. >>>>> >>>>> IT/Engineering is going to have to go in body armor! 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