Cheryle is posting on the Cape Verde group and getting assistance there :) Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <[email protected]> wrote: > Sorry, I left out the Portuguese Paleography booklet! That's the 2nd > 'help' you need to download. > > Rosemarie > [email protected] > Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, > Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily > > On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Cheryle >> Did you download the Portuguese Genealogical Word List from either >> FamilySearch.org Wiki or from the Azores GenWeb Site? Both those documents >> have all of the words you need to know to understand the >> Baptisms/Marriage/Deaths of the Catholic Church records. As we talked about >> in the DAR Class, the further back you go in the records the more >> abbreviations that are used for everything so, even expostos can be >> abbreviated! Get those two docs and study the words, find a document in the >> Church records that you find easy to read and try to look up the words you >> don't recognize. Getting a really good Portuguese to English dictionary is >> another good idea. >> >> Rosemarie >> [email protected] >> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, >> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily >> >> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Cheryle Dougherty < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I didn't know what "Exposto" was. This is what my friend wrote for >>> anyone else that didn't know. >>> >>> In the old days they had a place where people could leave an unwanted >>> child. They could be run by the government, convents, charities, etc. There >>> was a hole in the wall on a rotating contraption with a baby basket, you >>> would put the baby in it & rotate so it would go inside & then cared for. >>> The word "exposto" literally means "exposed" but in this context means, >>> let's say, abandoned. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 5:25 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> *Congratulations. That is the link you needed. There are still >>>> questions that need to be figured out. This passport record states she is >>>> married so her marriage must have been in Ribeirinha Unfortunately the >>>> records after 1905 are not posted on the CCA. The passport record is very >>>> hard to read Margaret is a wizard a reading the hardest of records. I was >>>> wondering who the person is above her is? He/She is also from Ribeirinha? >>>> This writing is hard to read I can only make the person’s fathers name Jose >>>> Pacheco.* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Here is the marriage of Lucinda’s parents Miguel de Arruda and Maria >>>> Julia Ferreira: >>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879_item1/P78.html >>>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879_item1/P78.html> >>>> You have a dead end with Miguel de Arruda as he is an exposto.* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Rick* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On >>>> Behalf Of *Margaret Vicente >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 5, 2017 12:45 AM >>>> *To:* azores >>>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It looks like you found your Lucinda. The birth record for 1881 is the >>>> correct person the father is Miguel de Arruda and the mother is Maria Julia >>>> Ferreira. >>>> >>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG- >>>> RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P60.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Going to America in 1911. Her age at the time was 29 and she was >>>> Married. The writing is very tiny but readable. Please see # 484 >>>> >>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PAS >>>> SAPORTES-PDL-1910-1911/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1910-1911_item1/P81.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 10:41 PM, JR <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Although, you specified Ribeirinha, you should know Aveiro's can be >>>> found in Ribeira Seca, which like Ribeirinha can be found in Ribeira >>>> Grande. The point is, sometimes people moved around even though they would >>>> list only one freguesia as their native place. Your Lucinda may be in one >>>> of the four or five freguesias around Ribeira Grande. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> JR >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 10:10:46 PM UTC-4, Richard Francis >>>> Pimentel wrote: >>>> >>>> *I searched the obits and did not find anything on this Lucinda. So I >>>> would put her in the mix. The problem I see is this would put her age off >>>> from the 1920 census which says she was 37. This would make her 39 off by >>>> two years, not necessarily a deal breaker but enough to try and find more >>>> evidence. What is the complete snippit with the three names? Can you link >>>> the whole thing? The problem with that is the name is Manuel instead of >>>> Miguel as on this latest Lucinda record.* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Rick* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] >>>> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Cheryle Dougherty >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 4, 2017 5:35 PM >>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Richard look on your baptism data base and look at 1881 #16. There is >>>> a Lucinda with parents Miguel Arruda and Maria Julia Feriera. I haven't >>>> figured out the rest yet. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 12:16 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> *Ok I did a search of the obits 1883 through 1887 and found the deaths >>>> of two of the Lucinda’s, That leaves one born on 3 Feb 1884 daughter of >>>> Francisco Jose Raposo and Rosa de Jesus. (CCA 1884 #0010)* >>>> >>>> *Rick* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] >>>> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Richard Francis Pimentel >>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 4, 2017 10:14 AM >>>> >>>> >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *To add to all this confusion here is another Lucinda born 21 May >>>> 1883: >>>> >>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P142.html >>>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P142.html> >>>> This record was just a page before the record of Honero. I will note in >>>> all three of the Lucinca’s there are no margin notes on the records. The >>>> next step is to check Obitos. And see if I can find any deaths to try and >>>> eliminate any of them. Of all three I like this one born in 1883 the best. >>>> Somehow I feel uncomfortable about this Manuel Arruda being the father. * >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *I have a very large data base coming from Ribeirinha and there is only >>>> one Manuel Arruda that married and is about the right age but looking at >>>> all the births in 1883 and 1884 they did not have any girls born to this >>>> couple.* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Rick* >>>> >>>> *Richard Francis Pimentel* >>>> >>>> *Epping, NH* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and >>>> Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* [email protected] [[email protected]] *On >>>> Behalf Of *Richard Francis Pimentel >>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 3, 2017 11:46 PM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Ok I am confused. Most ship logs I have seen it just names the >>>> passenger not the names of the parents (unless they are also passengers).* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *I looked at the 1920 US census earlier today and it says that Honerio >>>> came to the US in 1908 and Lucinda came in 1912. Is there a way you can >>>> show the complete record of the snippit you show below? * >>>> >>>> *The birth years on the 1920 census agree with the information you have >>>> shown us so far. Unless you can show positive information on tying Manuel >>>> Arruda to Lucinda I am inclined to believe that your Lucinda is one of the >>>> two Lucinda’s we have found in the records for 1884. * >>>> >>>> *Lucinda would have sailed from the Acores using her name and not the >>>> last name of Honerio. This is why I am inclined to believe that it is one >>>> of the two Lucinda’s* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *At the start of this thread you said the ship she arrived on was the >>>> Romanic in 1911. The Romanic last arrived in NY in Nov of 1910. Was this >>>> the port she arrived at? * >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *I have to go back and see if the census says anything about when she >>>> married. If she was single when she arrived in the US then she could have >>>> married in Attleboro. If she married in the Acores then it must have been >>>> after 1905.* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Rick* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* [email protected] [[email protected]] *On >>>> Behalf Of *Cheri Mello >>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 3, 2017 10:08 PM >>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Father Manuel Arruda, Ribeirinha >>>> >>>> Father Alexandre M. Caral, Urselina >>>> >>>> Father Jose C. Pacheco >>>> >>>> >>>> Cheri Mello >>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Cheryle Dougherty < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Ok, back to the records again. Here is where I got the name Manuel >>>> Arruba for her father's name. This was on the same line as her name in >>>> ship log. She is listed as Lucinda Pachaco Averio and her friend that she >>>> is coming to is Honerio Pacheco Averio (my uncle) It is the first line. >>>> Maybe you might come up with a different name. This was on ancestry. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [image: Image may contain: text] >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154489993603589&set=gm.658102424374883&type=3> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> 3 Comments >>>> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/438321819686279/permalink/658102424374883/?comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22O%22%7D> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Margaret M Vicente >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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