Good luck with it all, Cheryle! Study those word lists and the paleography too, it really helps.
Rosemarie [email protected] Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Cheryle Dougherty < [email protected]> wrote: > Thank you Rosemarie. I did download your stuff. This group is great. I > use Cape Verde DNA for my grandfathers side of the family. Azores genealogy > doesn't cover Brava, Cape Verde. > Cherhle > > On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Good for her! Hope she finds what she needs. >> >> Rosemarie >> [email protected] >> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, >> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily >> >> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Cheryle is posting on the Cape Verde group and getting assistance there >>> :) >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Sorry, I left out the Portuguese Paleography booklet! That's the 2nd >>>> 'help' you need to download. >>>> >>>> Rosemarie >>>> [email protected] >>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, >>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily >>>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <[email protected] >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Cheryle >>>>> Did you download the Portuguese Genealogical Word List from either >>>>> FamilySearch.org Wiki or from the Azores GenWeb Site? Both those documents >>>>> have all of the words you need to know to understand the >>>>> Baptisms/Marriage/Deaths of the Catholic Church records. As we talked >>>>> about >>>>> in the DAR Class, the further back you go in the records the more >>>>> abbreviations that are used for everything so, even expostos can be >>>>> abbreviated! Get those two docs and study the words, find a document in >>>>> the >>>>> Church records that you find easy to read and try to look up the words you >>>>> don't recognize. Getting a really good Portuguese to English dictionary is >>>>> another good idea. >>>>> >>>>> Rosemarie >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, >>>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Cheryle Dougherty < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I didn't know what "Exposto" was. This is what my friend wrote for >>>>>> anyone else that didn't know. >>>>>> >>>>>> In the old days they had a place where people could leave an >>>>>> unwanted child. They could be run by the government, convents, charities, >>>>>> etc. There was a hole in the wall on a rotating contraption with a baby >>>>>> basket, you would put the baby in it & rotate so it would go inside & >>>>>> then >>>>>> cared for. The word "exposto" literally means "exposed" but in this >>>>>> context >>>>>> means, let's say, abandoned. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 5:25 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> *Congratulations. That is the link you needed. There are still >>>>>>> questions that need to be figured out. This passport record states she >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> married so her marriage must have been in Ribeirinha Unfortunately the >>>>>>> records after 1905 are not posted on the CCA. The passport record is >>>>>>> very >>>>>>> hard to read Margaret is a wizard a reading the hardest of records. I >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> wondering who the person is above her is? He/She is also from >>>>>>> Ribeirinha? >>>>>>> This writing is hard to read I can only make the person’s fathers name >>>>>>> Jose >>>>>>> Pacheco.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Here is the marriage of Lucinda’s parents Miguel de Arruda and >>>>>>> Maria Julia Ferreira: >>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879_item1/P78.html >>>>>>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879_item1/P78.html> >>>>>>> You have a dead end with Miguel de Arruda as he is an exposto.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Rick* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On >>>>>>> Behalf Of *Margaret Vicente >>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 5, 2017 12:45 AM >>>>>>> *To:* azores >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It looks like you found your Lucinda. The birth record for 1881 is >>>>>>> the correct person the father is Miguel de Arruda and the mother is >>>>>>> Maria >>>>>>> Julia Ferreira. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG- >>>>>>> RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P60.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Going to America in 1911. Her age at the time was 29 and she was >>>>>>> Married. The writing is very tiny but readable. Please see # 484 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PAS >>>>>>> SAPORTES-PDL-1910-1911/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1910-1911_item1/P81.html >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 10:41 PM, JR <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Although, you specified Ribeirinha, you should know Aveiro's can be >>>>>>> found in Ribeira Seca, which like Ribeirinha can be found in Ribeira >>>>>>> Grande. The point is, sometimes people moved around even though they >>>>>>> would >>>>>>> list only one freguesia as their native place. Your Lucinda may be in >>>>>>> one >>>>>>> of the four or five freguesias around Ribeira Grande. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> JR >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 10:10:46 PM UTC-4, Richard Francis >>>>>>> Pimentel wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *I searched the obits and did not find anything on this Lucinda. So >>>>>>> I would put her in the mix. The problem I see is this would put her age >>>>>>> off >>>>>>> from the 1920 census which says she was 37. This would make her 39 off >>>>>>> by >>>>>>> two years, not necessarily a deal breaker but enough to try and find >>>>>>> more >>>>>>> evidence. What is the complete snippit with the three names? Can you >>>>>>> link >>>>>>> the whole thing? The problem with that is the name is Manuel instead of >>>>>>> Miguel as on this latest Lucinda record.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Rick* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Cheryle Dougherty >>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 4, 2017 5:35 PM >>>>>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Richard look on your baptism data base and look at 1881 #16. There >>>>>>> is a Lucinda with parents Miguel Arruda and Maria Julia Feriera. I >>>>>>> haven't >>>>>>> figured out the rest yet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 12:16 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Ok I did a search of the obits 1883 through 1887 and found the >>>>>>> deaths of two of the Lucinda’s, That leaves one born on 3 Feb 1884 >>>>>>> daughter >>>>>>> of Francisco Jose Raposo and Rosa de Jesus. (CCA 1884 #0010)* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Rick* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] >>>>>>> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Richard Francis Pimentel >>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 4, 2017 10:14 AM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *To add to all this confusion here is another Lucinda born 21 May >>>>>>> 1883: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P142.html >>>>>>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P142.html> >>>>>>> This record was just a page before the record of Honero. I will note >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> all three of the Lucinca’s there are no margin notes on the records. The >>>>>>> next step is to check Obitos. And see if I can find any deaths to try >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> eliminate any of them. Of all three I like this one born in 1883 the >>>>>>> best. >>>>>>> Somehow I feel uncomfortable about this Manuel Arruda being the father. >>>>>>> * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *I have a very large data base coming from Ribeirinha and there is >>>>>>> only one Manuel Arruda that married and is about the right age but >>>>>>> looking >>>>>>> at all the births in 1883 and 1884 they did not have any girls born to >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> couple.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Rick* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Richard Francis Pimentel* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Epping, NH* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, >>>>>>> and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* [email protected] [[email protected]] *On >>>>>>> Behalf Of *Richard Francis Pimentel >>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 3, 2017 11:46 PM >>>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Ok I am confused. Most ship logs I have seen it just names the >>>>>>> passenger not the names of the parents (unless they are also >>>>>>> passengers).* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *I looked at the 1920 US census earlier today and it says that >>>>>>> Honerio came to the US in 1908 and Lucinda came in 1912. Is there a way >>>>>>> you can show the complete record of the snippit you show below? * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *The birth years on the 1920 census agree with the information you >>>>>>> have shown us so far. Unless you can show positive information on tying >>>>>>> Manuel Arruda to Lucinda I am inclined to believe that your Lucinda is >>>>>>> one >>>>>>> of the two Lucinda’s we have found in the records for 1884. * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Lucinda would have sailed from the Acores using her name and not >>>>>>> the last name of Honerio. This is why I am inclined to believe that it >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> one of the two Lucinda’s* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *At the start of this thread you said the ship she arrived on was >>>>>>> the Romanic in 1911. The Romanic last arrived in NY in Nov of 1910. Was >>>>>>> this the port she arrived at? * >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *I have to go back and see if the census says anything about when >>>>>>> she married. If she was single when she arrived in the US then she could >>>>>>> have married in Attleboro. If she married in the Acores then it must >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> been after 1905.* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Rick* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* [email protected] [[email protected]] *On >>>>>>> Behalf Of *Cheri Mello >>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 3, 2017 10:08 PM >>>>>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Father Manuel Arruda, Ribeirinha >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Father Alexandre M. Caral, Urselina >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Father Jose C. Pacheco >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Cheryle Dougherty < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ok, back to the records again. Here is where I got the name Manuel >>>>>>> Arruba for her father's name. This was on the same line as her name in >>>>>>> ship log. She is listed as Lucinda Pachaco Averio and her friend that >>>>>>> she >>>>>>> is coming to is Honerio Pacheco Averio (my uncle) It is the first line. >>>>>>> Maybe you might come up with a different name. 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