Good for her! Hope she finds what she needs. Rosemarie [email protected] Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: > Cheryle is posting on the Cape Verde group and getting assistance there :) > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, > Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada > > On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Sorry, I left out the Portuguese Paleography booklet! That's the 2nd >> 'help' you need to download. >> >> Rosemarie >> [email protected] >> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, >> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily >> >> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Cheryle >>> Did you download the Portuguese Genealogical Word List from either >>> FamilySearch.org Wiki or from the Azores GenWeb Site? Both those documents >>> have all of the words you need to know to understand the >>> Baptisms/Marriage/Deaths of the Catholic Church records. As we talked about >>> in the DAR Class, the further back you go in the records the more >>> abbreviations that are used for everything so, even expostos can be >>> abbreviated! Get those two docs and study the words, find a document in the >>> Church records that you find easy to read and try to look up the words you >>> don't recognize. Getting a really good Portuguese to English dictionary is >>> another good idea. >>> >>> Rosemarie >>> [email protected] >>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, >>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Cheryle Dougherty < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I didn't know what "Exposto" was. This is what my friend wrote for >>>> anyone else that didn't know. >>>> >>>> In the old days they had a place where people could leave an unwanted >>>> child. They could be run by the government, convents, charities, etc. There >>>> was a hole in the wall on a rotating contraption with a baby basket, you >>>> would put the baby in it & rotate so it would go inside & then cared for. >>>> The word "exposto" literally means "exposed" but in this context means, >>>> let's say, abandoned. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 5:25 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> *Congratulations. That is the link you needed. There are still >>>>> questions that need to be figured out. This passport record states she is >>>>> married so her marriage must have been in Ribeirinha Unfortunately the >>>>> records after 1905 are not posted on the CCA. The passport record is very >>>>> hard to read Margaret is a wizard a reading the hardest of records. I was >>>>> wondering who the person is above her is? He/She is also from Ribeirinha? >>>>> This writing is hard to read I can only make the person’s fathers name >>>>> Jose >>>>> Pacheco.* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Here is the marriage of Lucinda’s parents Miguel de Arruda and Maria >>>>> Julia Ferreira: >>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879_item1/P78.html >>>>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879_item1/P78.html> >>>>> You have a dead end with Miguel de Arruda as he is an exposto.* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Rick* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On >>>>> Behalf Of *Margaret Vicente >>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 5, 2017 12:45 AM >>>>> *To:* azores >>>>> >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It looks like you found your Lucinda. The birth record for 1881 is the >>>>> correct person the father is Miguel de Arruda and the mother is Maria >>>>> Julia >>>>> Ferreira. >>>>> >>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG- >>>>> RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P60.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Going to America in 1911. Her age at the time was 29 and she was >>>>> Married. The writing is very tiny but readable. Please see # 484 >>>>> >>>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PAS >>>>> SAPORTES-PDL-1910-1911/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1910-1911_item1/P81.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 10:41 PM, JR <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Although, you specified Ribeirinha, you should know Aveiro's can be >>>>> found in Ribeira Seca, which like Ribeirinha can be found in Ribeira >>>>> Grande. The point is, sometimes people moved around even though they would >>>>> list only one freguesia as their native place. Your Lucinda may be in one >>>>> of the four or five freguesias around Ribeira Grande. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> JR >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 10:10:46 PM UTC-4, Richard Francis >>>>> Pimentel wrote: >>>>> >>>>> *I searched the obits and did not find anything on this Lucinda. So I >>>>> would put her in the mix. The problem I see is this would put her age off >>>>> from the 1920 census which says she was 37. This would make her 39 off by >>>>> two years, not necessarily a deal breaker but enough to try and find more >>>>> evidence. What is the complete snippit with the three names? Can you link >>>>> the whole thing? The problem with that is the name is Manuel instead of >>>>> Miguel as on this latest Lucinda record.* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Rick* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] >>>>> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Cheryle Dougherty >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 4, 2017 5:35 PM >>>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Richard look on your baptism data base and look at 1881 #16. There is >>>>> a Lucinda with parents Miguel Arruda and Maria Julia Feriera. I haven't >>>>> figured out the rest yet. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 12:16 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> *Ok I did a search of the obits 1883 through 1887 and found the deaths >>>>> of two of the Lucinda’s, That leaves one born on 3 Feb 1884 daughter of >>>>> Francisco Jose Raposo and Rosa de Jesus. (CCA 1884 #0010)* >>>>> >>>>> *Rick* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] >>>>> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Richard Francis Pimentel >>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 4, 2017 10:14 AM >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *To add to all this confusion here is another Lucinda born 21 May >>>>> 1883: >>>>> >>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P142.html >>>>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P142.html> >>>>> This record was just a page before the record of Honero. I will note in >>>>> all three of the Lucinca’s there are no margin notes on the records. The >>>>> next step is to check Obitos. And see if I can find any deaths to try and >>>>> eliminate any of them. Of all three I like this one born in 1883 the >>>>> best. >>>>> Somehow I feel uncomfortable about this Manuel Arruda being the father. * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *I have a very large data base coming from Ribeirinha and there is >>>>> only one Manuel Arruda that married and is about the right age but looking >>>>> at all the births in 1883 and 1884 they did not have any girls born to >>>>> this >>>>> couple.* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Rick* >>>>> >>>>> *Richard Francis Pimentel* >>>>> >>>>> *Epping, NH* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and >>>>> Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* [email protected] [[email protected]] *On >>>>> Behalf Of *Richard Francis Pimentel >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 3, 2017 11:46 PM >>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Ok I am confused. Most ship logs I have seen it just names the >>>>> passenger not the names of the parents (unless they are also passengers).* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *I looked at the 1920 US census earlier today and it says that Honerio >>>>> came to the US in 1908 and Lucinda came in 1912. Is there a way you can >>>>> show the complete record of the snippit you show below? * >>>>> >>>>> *The birth years on the 1920 census agree with the information you >>>>> have shown us so far. Unless you can show positive information on tying >>>>> Manuel Arruda to Lucinda I am inclined to believe that your Lucinda is >>>>> one >>>>> of the two Lucinda’s we have found in the records for 1884. * >>>>> >>>>> *Lucinda would have sailed from the Acores using her name and not the >>>>> last name of Honerio. This is why I am inclined to believe that it is one >>>>> of the two Lucinda’s* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *At the start of this thread you said the ship she arrived on was the >>>>> Romanic in 1911. The Romanic last arrived in NY in Nov of 1910. Was this >>>>> the port she arrived at? * >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *I have to go back and see if the census says anything about when she >>>>> married. If she was single when she arrived in the US then she could have >>>>> married in Attleboro. If she married in the Acores then it must have been >>>>> after 1905.* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Rick* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *From:* [email protected] [[email protected]] *On >>>>> Behalf Of *Cheri Mello >>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 3, 2017 10:08 PM >>>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Father Manuel Arruda, Ribeirinha >>>>> >>>>> Father Alexandre M. Caral, Urselina >>>>> >>>>> Father Jose C. Pacheco >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Cheryle Dougherty < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Ok, back to the records again. Here is where I got the name Manuel >>>>> Arruba for her father's name. This was on the same line as her name in >>>>> ship log. She is listed as Lucinda Pachaco Averio and her friend that she >>>>> is coming to is Honerio Pacheco Averio (my uncle) It is the first line. >>>>> Maybe you might come up with a different name. This was on ancestry. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [image: Image may contain: text] >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154489993603589&set=gm.658102424374883&type=3> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 3 Comments >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/438321819686279/permalink/658102424374883/?comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22O%22%7D> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Margaret M Vicente >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>> >>> >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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