Sorry, I left out the Portuguese Paleography booklet! That's the 2nd 'help' you need to download.
Rosemarie [email protected] Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <[email protected]> wrote: > Cheryle > Did you download the Portuguese Genealogical Word List from either > FamilySearch.org Wiki or from the Azores GenWeb Site? Both those documents > have all of the words you need to know to understand the > Baptisms/Marriage/Deaths of the Catholic Church records. As we talked about > in the DAR Class, the further back you go in the records the more > abbreviations that are used for everything so, even expostos can be > abbreviated! Get those two docs and study the words, find a document in the > Church records that you find easy to read and try to look up the words you > don't recognize. Getting a really good Portuguese to English dictionary is > another good idea. > > Rosemarie > [email protected] > Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, > Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily > > On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Cheryle Dougherty < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I didn't know what "Exposto" was. This is what my friend wrote for >> anyone else that didn't know. >> >> In the old days they had a place where people could leave an unwanted >> child. They could be run by the government, convents, charities, etc. There >> was a hole in the wall on a rotating contraption with a baby basket, you >> would put the baby in it & rotate so it would go inside & then cared for. >> The word "exposto" literally means "exposed" but in this context means, >> let's say, abandoned. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 5:25 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> *Congratulations. That is the link you needed. There are still questions >>> that need to be figured out. This passport record states she is married so >>> her marriage must have been in Ribeirinha Unfortunately the records after >>> 1905 are not posted on the CCA. The passport record is very hard to read >>> Margaret is a wizard a reading the hardest of records. I was wondering who >>> the person is above her is? He/She is also from Ribeirinha? This writing is >>> hard to read I can only make the person’s fathers name Jose Pacheco.* >>> >>> >>> >>> *Here is the marriage of Lucinda’s parents Miguel de Arruda and Maria >>> Julia Ferreira: >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879_item1/P78.html >>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879_item1/P78.html> >>> You have a dead end with Miguel de Arruda as he is an exposto.* >>> >>> >>> >>> *Rick* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On >>> Behalf Of *Margaret Vicente >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 5, 2017 12:45 AM >>> *To:* azores >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> It looks like you found your Lucinda. The birth record for 1881 is the >>> correct person the father is Miguel de Arruda and the mother is Maria Julia >>> Ferreira. >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG- >>> RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P60.html >>> >>> >>> >>> Going to America in 1911. Her age at the time was 29 and she was >>> Married. The writing is very tiny but readable. Please see # 484 >>> >>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PAS >>> SAPORTES-PDL-1910-1911/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1910-1911_item1/P81.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 10:41 PM, JR <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Although, you specified Ribeirinha, you should know Aveiro's can be >>> found in Ribeira Seca, which like Ribeirinha can be found in Ribeira >>> Grande. The point is, sometimes people moved around even though they would >>> list only one freguesia as their native place. Your Lucinda may be in one >>> of the four or five freguesias around Ribeira Grande. >>> >>> >>> >>> JR >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 10:10:46 PM UTC-4, Richard Francis Pimentel >>> wrote: >>> >>> *I searched the obits and did not find anything on this Lucinda. So I >>> would put her in the mix. The problem I see is this would put her age off >>> from the 1920 census which says she was 37. This would make her 39 off by >>> two years, not necessarily a deal breaker but enough to try and find more >>> evidence. What is the complete snippit with the three names? Can you link >>> the whole thing? The problem with that is the name is Manuel instead of >>> Miguel as on this latest Lucinda record.* >>> >>> >>> >>> *Rick* >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] >>> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Cheryle Dougherty >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 4, 2017 5:35 PM >>> *To:* Azores Genealogy >>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard look on your baptism data base and look at 1881 #16. There is a >>> Lucinda with parents Miguel Arruda and Maria Julia Feriera. I haven't >>> figured out the rest yet. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 12:16 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> *Ok I did a search of the obits 1883 through 1887 and found the deaths >>> of two of the Lucinda’s, That leaves one born on 3 Feb 1884 daughter of >>> Francisco Jose Raposo and Rosa de Jesus. (CCA 1884 #0010)* >>> >>> *Rick* >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] >>> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Richard Francis Pimentel >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 4, 2017 10:14 AM >>> >>> >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) >>> >>> >>> >>> *To add to all this confusion here is another Lucinda born 21 May 1883: >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P142.html >>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P142.html> >>> This record was just a page before the record of Honero. I will note in >>> all three of the Lucinca’s there are no margin notes on the records. The >>> next step is to check Obitos. And see if I can find any deaths to try and >>> eliminate any of them. Of all three I like this one born in 1883 the best. >>> Somehow I feel uncomfortable about this Manuel Arruda being the father. * >>> >>> >>> >>> *I have a very large data base coming from Ribeirinha and there is only >>> one Manuel Arruda that married and is about the right age but looking at >>> all the births in 1883 and 1884 they did not have any girls born to this >>> couple.* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *Rick* >>> >>> *Richard Francis Pimentel* >>> >>> *Epping, NH* >>> >>> >>> >>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, and >>> Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] [[email protected]] *On Behalf >>> Of *Richard Francis Pimentel >>> *Sent:* Monday, April 3, 2017 11:46 PM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) >>> >>> >>> >>> *Ok I am confused. Most ship logs I have seen it just names the >>> passenger not the names of the parents (unless they are also passengers).* >>> >>> >>> >>> *I looked at the 1920 US census earlier today and it says that Honerio >>> came to the US in 1908 and Lucinda came in 1912. Is there a way you can >>> show the complete record of the snippit you show below? * >>> >>> *The birth years on the 1920 census agree with the information you have >>> shown us so far. Unless you can show positive information on tying Manuel >>> Arruda to Lucinda I am inclined to believe that your Lucinda is one of the >>> two Lucinda’s we have found in the records for 1884. * >>> >>> *Lucinda would have sailed from the Acores using her name and not the >>> last name of Honerio. This is why I am inclined to believe that it is one >>> of the two Lucinda’s* >>> >>> >>> >>> *At the start of this thread you said the ship she arrived on was the >>> Romanic in 1911. The Romanic last arrived in NY in Nov of 1910. Was this >>> the port she arrived at? * >>> >>> >>> >>> *I have to go back and see if the census says anything about when she >>> married. If she was single when she arrived in the US then she could have >>> married in Attleboro. If she married in the Acores then it must have been >>> after 1905.* >>> >>> >>> >>> *Rick* >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] [[email protected]] *On Behalf >>> Of *Cheri Mello >>> *Sent:* Monday, April 3, 2017 10:08 PM >>> *To:* Azores Genealogy >>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) >>> >>> >>> >>> Father Manuel Arruda, Ribeirinha >>> >>> Father Alexandre M. Caral, Urselina >>> >>> Father Jose C. Pacheco >>> >>> >>> Cheri Mello >>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Cheryle Dougherty <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Ok, back to the records again. Here is where I got the name Manuel >>> Arruba for her father's name. This was on the same line as her name in >>> ship log. She is listed as Lucinda Pachaco Averio and her friend that she >>> is coming to is Honerio Pacheco Averio (my uncle) It is the first line. >>> Maybe you might come up with a different name. This was on ancestry. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [image: Image may contain: text] >>> <https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154489993603589&set=gm.658102424374883&type=3> >>> >>> >>> >>> 3 Comments >>> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/438321819686279/permalink/658102424374883/?comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22O%22%7D> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Margaret M Vicente >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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