Thank you Rosemarie. I did download your stuff. This group is great. I use Cape Verde DNA for my grandfathers side of the family. Azores genealogy doesn't cover Brava, Cape Verde. Cherhle
On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <[email protected]> wrote: > Good for her! Hope she finds what she needs. > > Rosemarie > [email protected] > Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, > Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily > > On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Cheri Mello <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Cheryle is posting on the Cape Verde group and getting assistance there :) >> >> Cheri Mello >> Listowner, Azores-Gen >> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, >> Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >> >> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 12:53 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Sorry, I left out the Portuguese Paleography booklet! That's the 2nd >>> 'help' you need to download. >>> >>> Rosemarie >>> [email protected] >>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, >>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Rosemarie Capodicci <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Cheryle >>>> Did you download the Portuguese Genealogical Word List from either >>>> FamilySearch.org Wiki or from the Azores GenWeb Site? Both those documents >>>> have all of the words you need to know to understand the >>>> Baptisms/Marriage/Deaths of the Catholic Church records. As we talked about >>>> in the DAR Class, the further back you go in the records the more >>>> abbreviations that are used for everything so, even expostos can be >>>> abbreviated! Get those two docs and study the words, find a document in the >>>> Church records that you find easy to read and try to look up the words you >>>> don't recognize. Getting a really good Portuguese to English dictionary is >>>> another good idea. >>>> >>>> Rosemarie >>>> [email protected] >>>> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores, >>>> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily >>>> >>>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 11:21 AM, Cheryle Dougherty < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I didn't know what "Exposto" was. This is what my friend wrote for >>>>> anyone else that didn't know. >>>>> >>>>> In the old days they had a place where people could leave an >>>>> unwanted child. They could be run by the government, convents, charities, >>>>> etc. There was a hole in the wall on a rotating contraption with a baby >>>>> basket, you would put the baby in it & rotate so it would go inside & then >>>>> cared for. The word "exposto" literally means "exposed" but in this >>>>> context >>>>> means, let's say, abandoned. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 5:25 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> *Congratulations. That is the link you needed. There are still >>>>>> questions that need to be figured out. This passport record states she is >>>>>> married so her marriage must have been in Ribeirinha Unfortunately the >>>>>> records after 1905 are not posted on the CCA. The passport record is very >>>>>> hard to read Margaret is a wizard a reading the hardest of records. I was >>>>>> wondering who the person is above her is? He/She is also from Ribeirinha? >>>>>> This writing is hard to read I can only make the person’s fathers name >>>>>> Jose >>>>>> Pacheco.* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Here is the marriage of Lucinda’s parents Miguel de Arruda and Maria >>>>>> Julia Ferreira: >>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879_item1/P78.html >>>>>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-C-1873-1879_item1/P78.html> >>>>>> You have a dead end with Miguel de Arruda as he is an exposto.* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Rick* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] *On >>>>>> Behalf Of *Margaret Vicente >>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 5, 2017 12:45 AM >>>>>> *To:* azores >>>>>> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It looks like you found your Lucinda. The birth record for 1881 is >>>>>> the correct person the father is Miguel de Arruda and the mother is Maria >>>>>> Julia Ferreira. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG- >>>>>> RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P60.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Going to America in 1911. Her age at the time was 29 and she was >>>>>> Married. The writing is very tiny but readable. Please see # 484 >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PAS >>>>>> SAPORTES-PDL-1910-1911/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1910-1911_item1/P81.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 10:41 PM, JR <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Although, you specified Ribeirinha, you should know Aveiro's can be >>>>>> found in Ribeira Seca, which like Ribeirinha can be found in Ribeira >>>>>> Grande. The point is, sometimes people moved around even though they >>>>>> would >>>>>> list only one freguesia as their native place. Your Lucinda may be in >>>>>> one >>>>>> of the four or five freguesias around Ribeira Grande. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> JR >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 10:10:46 PM UTC-4, Richard Francis >>>>>> Pimentel wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> *I searched the obits and did not find anything on this Lucinda. So I >>>>>> would put her in the mix. The problem I see is this would put her age off >>>>>> from the 1920 census which says she was 37. This would make her 39 off by >>>>>> two years, not necessarily a deal breaker but enough to try and find more >>>>>> evidence. What is the complete snippit with the three names? Can you link >>>>>> the whole thing? The problem with that is the name is Manuel instead of >>>>>> Miguel as on this latest Lucinda record.* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Rick* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] >>>>>> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Cheryle Dougherty >>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 4, 2017 5:35 PM >>>>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Richard look on your baptism data base and look at 1881 #16. There >>>>>> is a Lucinda with parents Miguel Arruda and Maria Julia Feriera. I >>>>>> haven't >>>>>> figured out the rest yet. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 12:16 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> *Ok I did a search of the obits 1883 through 1887 and found the >>>>>> deaths of two of the Lucinda’s, That leaves one born on 3 Feb 1884 >>>>>> daughter >>>>>> of Francisco Jose Raposo and Rosa de Jesus. (CCA 1884 #0010)* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Rick* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected] >>>>>> <[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Richard Francis Pimentel >>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 4, 2017 10:14 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *To add to all this confusion here is another Lucinda born 21 May >>>>>> 1883: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P142.html >>>>>> <http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P142.html> >>>>>> This record was just a page before the record of Honero. I will note in >>>>>> all three of the Lucinca’s there are no margin notes on the records. The >>>>>> next step is to check Obitos. And see if I can find any deaths to try and >>>>>> eliminate any of them. Of all three I like this one born in 1883 the >>>>>> best. >>>>>> Somehow I feel uncomfortable about this Manuel Arruda being the father. >>>>>> * >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *I have a very large data base coming from Ribeirinha and there is >>>>>> only one Manuel Arruda that married and is about the right age but >>>>>> looking >>>>>> at all the births in 1883 and 1884 they did not have any girls born to >>>>>> this >>>>>> couple.* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Rick* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Richard Francis Pimentel* >>>>>> >>>>>> *Epping, NH* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande, Bretanha, >>>>>> and Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel, Acores* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* [email protected] [[email protected]] *On >>>>>> Behalf Of *Richard Francis Pimentel >>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 3, 2017 11:46 PM >>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Ok I am confused. Most ship logs I have seen it just names the >>>>>> passenger not the names of the parents (unless they are also >>>>>> passengers).* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *I looked at the 1920 US census earlier today and it says that >>>>>> Honerio came to the US in 1908 and Lucinda came in 1912. Is there a way >>>>>> you can show the complete record of the snippit you show below? * >>>>>> >>>>>> *The birth years on the 1920 census agree with the information you >>>>>> have shown us so far. Unless you can show positive information on tying >>>>>> Manuel Arruda to Lucinda I am inclined to believe that your Lucinda is >>>>>> one >>>>>> of the two Lucinda’s we have found in the records for 1884. * >>>>>> >>>>>> *Lucinda would have sailed from the Acores using her name and not the >>>>>> last name of Honerio. This is why I am inclined to believe that it is one >>>>>> of the two Lucinda’s* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *At the start of this thread you said the ship she arrived on was the >>>>>> Romanic in 1911. The Romanic last arrived in NY in Nov of 1910. Was this >>>>>> the port she arrived at? * >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *I have to go back and see if the census says anything about when she >>>>>> married. If she was single when she arrived in the US then she could have >>>>>> married in Attleboro. If she married in the Acores then it must have been >>>>>> after 1905.* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Rick* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* [email protected] [[email protected]] *On >>>>>> Behalf Of *Cheri Mello >>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, April 3, 2017 10:08 PM >>>>>> *To:* Azores Genealogy >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Lucinda Pacheco (1884-1955) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Father Manuel Arruda, Ribeirinha >>>>>> >>>>>> Father Alexandre M. Caral, Urselina >>>>>> >>>>>> Father Jose C. Pacheco >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheri Mello >>>>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen >>>>>> Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira >>>>>> Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 1:28 PM, Cheryle Dougherty < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Ok, back to the records again. Here is where I got the name Manuel >>>>>> Arruba for her father's name. This was on the same line as her name in >>>>>> ship log. She is listed as Lucinda Pachaco Averio and her friend that >>>>>> she >>>>>> is coming to is Honerio Pacheco Averio (my uncle) It is the first line. >>>>>> Maybe you might come up with a different name. This was on ancestry. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: Image may contain: text] >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10154489993603589&set=gm.658102424374883&type=3> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 3 Comments >>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/groups/438321819686279/permalink/658102424374883/?comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22O%22%7D> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Margaret M Vicente >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. 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