Hi, George: You raise two good and critical questions. 1) in Ps. 29, with its parallels to the Ugaritic Baal as Rider on the Clouds is a delightful text. Doesn't the passage use "clouds" and "flood" interchangeably, showing that the two terms refer to the same waters? Rather than picturing the clouds and the celestial ocean as different, doesn't this text show them to the same? and מבול therefore representing clouds, a poetic figure for the potential source of the flood waters? 2) You ask: Are you seeing only the pillars of the sky as metaphorical? If so, why? What is your method for slicing off a metaphor here from reality in this bigger cosmological picture? Yep, I see pillars of the earth as part of the metaphor comparing Creation to the human activity of constructing a building. The "method of slicing off" metaphor from literal speech is based on the same structure / activity described at times in literal terms and in other contexts as poetic. Job 26's "hanging the earth upon nothing" juxtaposes against Job 38's "pillars of the earth." Just to clarify, I'm not advocating a 100% scientifically accurate Biblical text, but rather pointing out that medieval / fundamentalist sort of literal interpretations of poetic texts do not necessarily represent the meaning of the text itself in its original context. The ancients made some but not all of the off-based errors that we moderns often attribute to them. :-) Peace, Ted Brownstein In a message dated 9/2/2012 2:55:23 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes:
Hi Ted! Thanks for your post. There is a difference between the clouds that bring rain and the waters above the sky-dome (רקיע). In the flood narrative, the water is not brought by clouds, but rather by the opening of the sluice gates in the רקיע above allowing the celestial sea to inundate the earth below, and the bursting open of the springs of the deep (תהום). See Genesis 7.11–12. The separation of waters that is mentioned in Gen 1 is undone in the flood, such that the flood is envisioned not merely as a big deluge of rain, but rather as an act of uncreation leading to a new beginning—a second genesis. The flood () is, in fact, the celestial sea allowed to inundate the earth below. This is confirmed in Ps 29, where Yahweh is pictured as enthroned permanently at this celestial sea — that is, at the , the same word for 'flood'. After all, Yahweh is pictured as the God of the Heavens, whose dwelling is above the waters — that is, on the other side of the רקיע, which is generally why he can't usually be seen. Also, you quoted Job 26, but did not mention 26.11: עַמּוּדֵ֣י שָׁמַ֣יִם יְרוֹפָ֑פוּ וְ֝יִתְמְה֗וּ מִגַּעֲרָתֽוֹ׃ The pillars of the sky totter, but freeze at his reprimand. The fuller picture in Job is this: an earth seemingly suspended in an ether (in this, Job probably differs from other biblical writers who see the earth floating on water), with pillars holding up a sky that can totter. The next few verses imply that these were created by Yahweh's conquest of Rahab the sea snake. Are you seeing only the pillars of the sky as metaphorical? If so, why? What is your method for slicing off a metaphor here from reality in this bigger cosmological picture? Or is it the case that Job sees creation as the result of Yahweh's successful conquest of a chaos monster, resulting in a hard-panelled sky that balances on pillars. GEORGE ATHAS Dean of Research, Moore Theological College (moore.edu.au) Sydney, Australia _______________________________________________ b-hebrew mailing list [email protected] http://lists.ibiblio.org/mailman/listinfo/b-hebrew
