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No, I meant democracy as rule by the people. Republic as rule by elected 
representatvies. Oligarchy is that but with the representatives as a de-facto 
ruling class.

http://www.friesian.com/quiz.htm

Your guesstimate quiz results.
Examples of societeis scores:
Athens - moralistic market democracy
America - tolerant social republic
Soviet Union- moralistic social monarchy

Since the original Nolan Chart employs two kinds of "negative" liberty, it is 
possible to represent "positive" liberty on a separate axis, producing a three 
dimensional display of political positions. [Click on the chart for a larger 
version of the image; or here for a black and white image, which may print out 
better] How much there will be for "political society" and political power to 
do 
will be defined by the degree of personal and economic freedom that is 
envisioned. With what political power is then to be allowed, the question is 
then how it is to be exercised. The spectrum will stretch from the exercise of 
all political power by one person (Monarchy, or any individual dictatorship), 
to 
the equal exercise of all political power by all (Anarchy). 

In between the logical extremes, there will be the exercise of power by a 
relatively limited number (Oligarchy) on one side, the exercise of power by 
majority of all (Democracy) on the other, and then, in the middle, varieties of 
Representative government, with mixed Oligarchic and Democratic forms (a 
Republic). 

A Republican form was envisioned by people like James Madison, who wished to 
impose practical, and not just theoretical, limits on government by the use of 
the Separation of Powers and a system of Checks and Balances. This worked well 
enough but was ultimately undermined by one grave oversight: The United States 
Constitution provided no mechanism for its own enforcement. That task was soon 
taken up by the Supreme Court, but Thomas Jefferson realized that the Supreme 
Court, as a part of the federal government, could not be trusted to faithfully 
maintain the limits to the power of the federal government itself: "How can we 
expect impartial decision between the General government, of which they are 
themselves so eminent a part, and an individual State, from which they have 
nothing to hope or fear?" [Autobiography] 

In the end, especially during the Civil War, World War I, the New Deal, and the 
Sixties, the Supreme Court began to concede extra-Constitutional powers to the 
federal government simply on the principle that it wanted them. The only 
mechanism that existed to check the failures of the Court was the torturous 
avenue of Constitutional Amendment, politically impossible when so many people 
had begun to believe that unlimited power for the federal government was 
actually a good thing. And then again, it is hard to know how a newer version 
of 
the 10th Amendment could be more plainly worded than the old one. A new 
Amendment would have to descend to the ignoble level of contradicting specific 
Supreme Court pronouncements that the original Amendment was simply a 
"tautology" or "truism" that wasn't really meant to limit federal power. (See 
Two Logical Errors in Constitutional Jurisprudence.) An effectively updated 
Constitution would have to address all the sophistry and dishonesty that was 
used to undermine the original one, besides providing for such additional 
checks 
and balances as would abolish the dictatorial powers of the Court. 

On the economic spectrum (X axis), a basic division might be made between 
"social" (or "socialist") forms, allowing little economic freedom, and "market" 
forms, allowing a lot. Thus, on the XZ plane, which displays economic freedom 
and political freedom, the political spectrum divides into "social" and 
"market" 
forms. In "social" forms there may be divergent uses of political power over 
economics, e.g. in a Monarchy taxation may be directed to the benefit of the 
monarch and his family and friends, or taxation may be directed to the "welfare 
rights" of others. Thus, Otto von Bismark and Wilhelmine Germany sought 
successfully to defuse socialism through State old age pensions and other 
welfare benefits. In a Democracy, the tendency will naturally be for people to 
vote themselves increasing benefits and thus increasingly to encroach on the 
freedom and property of those who are economically productive, or at least more 
productive than most voters. With the dynamic of "Public Choice" rent-seeking, 
voters in a democracy will also be tempted to vote and countenance small taxes 
here and small taxes there, all for some public or personal benefit, without 
noticing or understanding that the cumulative burden will begin to seriously 
impact their ability to dispose of their own income and property. They also may 
fail to notice that voting for things like publicly financed medical care 
implies that the government will have the power to forbid "unhealthy" 
activities 
which may impose a burden on the public purse, as riding motocycles without 
helmets and riding in cars without seatbelts have been banned by many States 
under federal pressure. 

On the personal spectrum (Y axis), a basic division might be made between 
"moralist" (or "moralistic") forms, allowing little personal freedom, and 
"tolerant" forms, allowing a lot. Thus, on the YZ plane, which displays 
personal 
freedom and political freedom, the political spectrum divides into "moralist" 
and "tolerant" forms. Athenian democracy (with absolute majority rule, and no 
independent courts or bureaucracy), which condemned Socrates but which had few 
restrictions on commerce or property, could be called a moralist market 
democracy (or a conservative democracy). American government, which edges from 
a 
republic over into a democracy (with confusing oligarchic elements from 
judicial 
and "administrative" government), with stronger protections for speech and art 
than in the past, but less strong protections for commerce and property than in 
the past, could be called a tolerant social republic (or a liberal republic). 
The Soviet Union was a moralist social (i.e. authoritarian) oligarchy, or 
monarchy (dictatorship) under Stalin. 

The Anarchy end might seem to be the negation of political power altogether. It 
isn't, because if one were to be an authoritarian anarchist, this would mean 
that one would be justified in using force against both the person and property 
of others on the basis of a spectrum of posssible moral or economic wrongs. 
"Anarchy" does not mean that there is no political power; it just means that 
any 
political power is exercised only by each individual. This would have been 
called the "state of nature" by John Locke, though he would have thought that 
rights could not be effectively enforced in such a state of nature. (To Hobbes, 
rights wouldn't even exist in the state of nature.) 19th and 20th Century 
Anarchists have ranged from social anarchists who didn't believe in private 
property ("Property is theft," is the characteristic maxim), to those who 
wanted 
to limit private property to what could be immediately used by the occupant 
(Georgism, like Albert J. Nock), to complete libertarian anarchism, where 
extensive property rights are accepted -- though of course an anarchist owner 
of 
extensive property could protect that only by the consent and voluntary or paid 
help of other individuals. 

A Monarchy might be thought to eliminate all other freedom, but the idea of the 
existence of "benevolent dictatorship," or of "Enlightened Despots," like 
Frederick II (the Great) of Prussia, was precisely that someone like Frederick 
retained all political power for himself but allowed considerable personal 
freedom, though mainly in speech and thought ("Say what you like, but do what I 
say"). At the time, no regime allowed economic freedom much beyond the standard 
forms of Merchantilism (though Britain and the Netherlands were already ahead).





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From: Susan Maneck <[email protected]>
To: Baha'i Studies <[email protected]>
Sent: Mon, November 29, 2010 12:58:06 PM
Subject: Re: Grave Influence

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> So you're saying Susan favors a moralistic social (insert type of govt).
> I'll go out on a limb and say oligarchy, maybe republic.

Uh, no. An oligarchy presumes that actions are taken in interest of
the elites. Social liberalism supports the common people.

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