On Mon, Jul 17, 2023, 06:00 Eric Altendorf <ericaltend...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 2:27 PM Martin Blais <bl...@furius.ca> wrote:
>
>> Precisely reliable and reproducible packaging and instructions that work
>> for everyone all the time are impossible tasks in my experience and I tried
>> for 25 years and eventually gave up. Too many environments, to many
>> different users and setups. I keep it simple for dev which I think is the
>> key, best is to use it like that to get the freshest. Other people do
>> packaging. Packages will inevitably be slightly older. Here's the gist:
>>
>
> Sure.  I don't think I'm complaining about the install not working in
> weird corner cases or anything like that.  Mostly remarking that the
> documentation is incorrect/broken/misleading in case you want to fix it for
> the next person who comes along.
>
> - "make build" will compile a .so in place (in the tree where you can
>> import it). Needs a C compiler with Python dev headers and library, bison
>> and flex.
>>
>
> The v3 install instructions that I found said to use Bazel, not make.  Is
> Bazel just wrapping make here?  Is there some reason to use make directly?
>

Ignore bazel, this is work in progress you don't need. V3 works fine with
the Python/c parser. There will also be a warning when you run about
missing that library, ignore that too.



>
>> - set your PYTHONPATH to be able to import directly from the tree.
>>
>
> I'll do this with a venv to manage and isolate the dependencies and path
> management (which, FYI, if you wanted a hermetic and 100% reproducible
> build setup, would probably be the way to go, although I'm hardly an expert
> on that, and the last thing I want to do is debate your package's build
> setup :).
>

Knock yourself out,
pip install . into your venv should work.


> Hope this helps,
>>
>
> Thanks! :)
>
> eric
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 17, 2023, 02:37 Eric Altendorf <ericaltend...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Aha, looks like this is the page:
>>> https://beancount.github.io/docs/installing_beancount_v3.html
>>>
>>> I'll work from that.  Just sharing the FYI that some of the install
>>> instructions / links seem to be misleading.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 10:19 AM Eric Altendorf <ericaltend...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 8:35 PM Martin Blais <bl...@furius.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 15, 2023, 11:06 Eric Altendorf <ericaltend...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 4:45 PM Martin Blais <bl...@furius.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> v3 > v2
>>>>>>> No less stable; less overall code, many parts moved to subprojects
>>>>>>> that have been more actively developed. Some c++ bit present but not 
>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>> in the main loop.
>>>>>>> Use v3.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cool.  FWIW, https://beancount.github.io/ still says v3 "is unstable
>>>>>> and you want to use version 2 below".
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> All types of users, this is largely for non technical users. It's
>>>>> stable enough for you. I try not to commit build breaking changes (lots of
>>>>> tests).
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OK.  Looks like `apt install` just gives me v2, so I removed that and
>>>> I'm back to installing from source.  I'd like to install for dev, in case I
>>>> want to experiment with writing my own booking algorithm.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And https://beancount.github.io/docs/installing_beancount.html says
>>>>>> it is instructions for installing v2.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also I tried following the "Installing for Development" instructions
>>>>>> there, running git clone, then `sudo python3 setup.py develop` and 
>>>>>> `python3
>>>>>> setup.py build_ext -i` and this produced a broken install.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is for development, in just modify your PYTHONPATH to include the
>>>>> repo. See beancount/etc/env
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry, I think I'm missing something more basic; things were very
>>>> broken just following the instructions.  I do notice there is a Makefile in
>>>> the directory, is running `make` supposed to be part of the
>>>> install-from-source or install-for-dev process?
>>>>
>>>> The instructions just say to run setup.py but that doesn't seem to do
>>>> much.
>>>>
>>>> I'm also not sure if I'm even following the right instructions since,
>>>> as I mentioned, the document itself says it's for installing v2, and the
>>>> link to instructions for installing v3 is broken (links to
>>>> https://beancount.github.io/docs/installing_beancount_v3.md )
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Backing out of that and just running `apt install beancount` worked
>>>>>> fine though :-D
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (Apologies for the little warning in every invocation.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 15, 2023, 07:42 Eric Altendorf <ericaltend...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd like to get started with Beancount, and it wasn't clear to me
>>>>>>>> if the docs have been updated recently.  Is v3 still considered 
>>>>>>>> unstable,
>>>>>>>> and it's best to use v2?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>>> eric
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