Oh, grepping around in the source reveals a note about Fava replacing
bean-web?  (bean-web is still what the docs discuss)

Sorry -- you've written such extensive and well-written documentation I've
been taking it as truth :)

On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 7:26 PM Eric Altendorf <ericaltend...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks.
>
> make & pip install worked fine.  can run bean-check.  Still doesn't seem
> to be building some of the tools, e.g., `bean-web` is still missing:
>
> beancount$ ls bin
> bean-check  bean-doctor  bean-example  bean-format  BUILD  treeify
>
> do i still need to do something with setup.py like in v2?
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 5:10 PM Martin Blais <bl...@furius.ca> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 17, 2023, 06:00 Eric Altendorf <ericaltend...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 2:27 PM Martin Blais <bl...@furius.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Precisely reliable and reproducible packaging and instructions that
>>>> work for everyone all the time are impossible tasks in my experience and I
>>>> tried for 25 years and eventually gave up. Too many environments, to many
>>>> different users and setups. I keep it simple for dev which I think is the
>>>> key, best is to use it like that to get the freshest. Other people do
>>>> packaging. Packages will inevitably be slightly older. Here's the gist:
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sure.  I don't think I'm complaining about the install not working in
>>> weird corner cases or anything like that.  Mostly remarking that the
>>> documentation is incorrect/broken/misleading in case you want to fix it for
>>> the next person who comes along.
>>>
>>> - "make build" will compile a .so in place (in the tree where you can
>>>> import it). Needs a C compiler with Python dev headers and library, bison
>>>> and flex.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The v3 install instructions that I found said to use Bazel, not make.
>>> Is Bazel just wrapping make here?  Is there some reason to use make
>>> directly?
>>>
>>
>> Ignore bazel, this is work in progress you don't need. V3 works fine with
>> the Python/c parser. There will also be a warning when you run about
>> missing that library, ignore that too.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> - set your PYTHONPATH to be able to import directly from the tree.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'll do this with a venv to manage and isolate the dependencies and path
>>> management (which, FYI, if you wanted a hermetic and 100% reproducible
>>> build setup, would probably be the way to go, although I'm hardly an expert
>>> on that, and the last thing I want to do is debate your package's build
>>> setup :).
>>>
>>
>> Knock yourself out,
>> pip install . into your venv should work.
>>
>>
>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks! :)
>>>
>>> eric
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 17, 2023, 02:37 Eric Altendorf <ericaltend...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Aha, looks like this is the page:
>>>>> https://beancount.github.io/docs/installing_beancount_v3.html
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll work from that.  Just sharing the FYI that some of the install
>>>>> instructions / links seem to be misleading.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 10:19 AM Eric Altendorf <
>>>>> ericaltend...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 8:35 PM Martin Blais <bl...@furius.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 15, 2023, 11:06 Eric Altendorf <ericaltend...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 14, 2023 at 4:45 PM Martin Blais <bl...@furius.ca>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> v3 > v2
>>>>>>>>> No less stable; less overall code, many parts moved to subprojects
>>>>>>>>> that have been more actively developed. Some c++ bit present but not 
>>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>>> in the main loop.
>>>>>>>>> Use v3.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cool.  FWIW, https://beancount.github.io/ still says v3 "is
>>>>>>>> unstable and you want to use version 2 below".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All types of users, this is largely for non technical users. It's
>>>>>>> stable enough for you. I try not to commit build breaking changes (lots 
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> tests).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK.  Looks like `apt install` just gives me v2, so I removed that and
>>>>>> I'm back to installing from source.  I'd like to install for dev, in 
>>>>>> case I
>>>>>> want to experiment with writing my own booking algorithm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And https://beancount.github.io/docs/installing_beancount.html says
>>>>>>>> it is instructions for installing v2.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also I tried following the "Installing for Development"
>>>>>>>> instructions there, running git clone, then `sudo python3 setup.py 
>>>>>>>> develop`
>>>>>>>> and `python3 setup.py build_ext -i` and this produced a broken install.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is for development, in just modify your PYTHONPATH to include
>>>>>>> the repo. See beancount/etc/env
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, I think I'm missing something more basic; things were very
>>>>>> broken just following the instructions.  I do notice there is a Makefile 
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the directory, is running `make` supposed to be part of the
>>>>>> install-from-source or install-for-dev process?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The instructions just say to run setup.py but that doesn't seem to do
>>>>>> much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm also not sure if I'm even following the right instructions since,
>>>>>> as I mentioned, the document itself says it's for installing v2, and the
>>>>>> link to instructions for installing v3 is broken (links to
>>>>>> https://beancount.github.io/docs/installing_beancount_v3.md )
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Backing out of that and just running `apt install beancount` worked
>>>>>>>> fine though :-D
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (Apologies for the little warning in every invocation.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 15, 2023, 07:42 Eric Altendorf <
>>>>>>>>> ericaltend...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to get started with Beancount, and it wasn't clear to me
>>>>>>>>>> if the docs have been updated recently.  Is v3 still considered 
>>>>>>>>>> unstable,
>>>>>>>>>> and it's best to use v2?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> thanks,
>>>>>>>>>> eric
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