What Grant said. ---
Robert F. Nagel, Attorney Law Offices of Robert Nagel [email protected] www.nagel-law.com Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor 30 W. Mifflin St., Suite 1001 Madison, WI 53703 608-255-1501 office 608-255-1504 fax 608-438-9501 cell On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Grant Foster <[email protected]> wrote: > Why does riding through the park have to be about saving time? Describing > this as a 'short-cut' or 'cut-through' and stating that alternate routes > are fine misses the whole point for me. I want to ride through the park to > enjoy it, just like most people that walk on this path are walking through > the park and not using it as access TO the park for some other park-related > activity. Why do pedestrians feel that they need to use that 'short-cut' > when they could easily walk around the park instead? > > Why is riding a bike through a park not an intended use that we encourage > and support? Maybe next time someone gets hit be an errant frisbee when can > ban that too... > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Mitchell Nussbaum <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> A long time ago, the Orton Park diagonal path was a designated bike >> route. I used to ride on it until I noticed that the city had taken down >> the bike route sign. I started going down Rutledge instead. No problem. >> What are the demographics of the bikers who are zipping through the park? >> Are they young teenagers? Are they (technically) adults? Are they >> recreational riders? Commuters? >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Robbie Webber" <[email protected]> >> *To: *"Matt Logan" <[email protected]> >> *Cc: *"SASYNA-Discussions" <[email protected]>, "Dryer, >> David" <[email protected]>, "bikies" <[email protected]>, >> "marqNA" <[email protected]>, "Knepp, Eric" < >> [email protected]> >> *Sent: *Monday, August 3, 2015 11:54:46 AM >> *Subject: *Re: [Bikies] [MarqNA] Bicycling on the sidewalk in Orton Park >> >> It really is unfortunate that we are considering an ordinance change or >> physical limitations (that will cost time and money) just because some >> people on bikes are jerks. It gives people riding bikes in general a bad >> name, and does not promote better community relations. >> The people riding fast through a city park when pedestrians, and >> especially children are present really piss me off. I had a friend that >> lived over there, and I biked past/around Orton Park frequently. It never >> occurred to me to cut through. It's not a very big block, so you aren't >> gaining that much by using the diagonal instead of the local streets. >> >> Maybe we need speed humps on the sidewalk. >> >> Too bad that we can't ban cars from certain streets when a few drivers >> are jerks. THAT would make the city much better. >> >> Robbie Webber >> Transportation Policy Analyst >> 608-263-9984 (o) >> 608-225-0002 (c) >> [email protected] >> All opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of >> my employer or any other group with which I am affiliated. >> >> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Matthew Logan <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Can we remove the diagonal sidewalk in Orton Park so it is not an >>> appealing cut-through for people riding bicycles? >>> >>> >>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>> *Sent:* Monday, August 03, 2015 7:03 AM >>> *To:* [email protected] >>> *Cc:* [email protected]; [email protected]; Ross, >>> Arthur; Dryer, David; Knepp, Eric >>> *Subject:* Re: [MarqNA] Bicycling on the sidewalk in Orton Park >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I would think that walking bikes can be allowed. >>> >>> >>> >>> Peter Bradley >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 8:10 PM, 'Rummel, Marsha' >>> [email protected] [MarqNA] <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I have received recent complaints from people concerned that bicyclists >>> are speeding through Orton Park. At least two people have reported to me >>> that they have been clipped by bicyclists coming behind them. This park has >>> playground equipment and is used regularly by young families and kids as >>> well as runners and walkers. >>> >>> >>> >>> It is legal to ride your bikes on the sidewalk in a city park. There is >>> a no bicycle sign in Orton but it is there to prohibit people from riding >>> on the turf in order to protect the root zone of the oaks from compaction. >>> >>> >>> >>> Rutledge is a bike commuter route and some bicyclists use the >>> diagonal park path as a cut through to Spaight St and avoid the sharp turn >>> at Ingersoll (or Few St). >>> >>> >>> >>> I've attached the ordinance below. I could amend it and add Orton to the >>> list that includes Henry Vilas Zoo as a prohibited parks for bicyclists to >>> use if there is neighborhood support. >>> >>> >>> >>> I'd like to get feedback on people's experiences in the park in regard >>> to concerns about excessive speed of bicyclists and imact on safety of >>> other park users. >>> >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> Here is the ordinance. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *8.31 BICYCLES IN PARKS.* >>> >>> (1) Purpose and Intent. The Common Council finds that as the use of City >>> parks increases, it is in the public interest to protect and preserve >>> parkland resources while making these resources accessible to the >>> multiplicity of City park users. The Common Council specifically authorizes >>> the Park Commission to identify trails within parkland suitable for bicycle >>> use. The use of bicycles on >>> >>> trails not designated for that specific use denigrates the parkland by >>> accelerating erosion and endangers hikers because of inadequate sight >>> clearance. It is the intent of this ordinance to reconcile the desires of >>> individual park users with the need to preserve the resources for all >>> citizens and to that end to designate certain parks and park areas for use >>> consistent with safety, >>> >>> preservation of natural resources and recreational enjoyment. >>> >>> (2) Definitions. >>> >>> “Bicycle” has the meaning specified in Wis. Stat. § 340.01(5). >>> >>> “City park” means City-owned property designated and operated as a park for >>> general recreational use but does not include greenways or conservation >>> parks. >>> >>> “Conservation park” has the meaning specified in Sec. 8.40(2), MGO. >>> >>> “Natural area” means any area not mowed on a regular basis to turf 6” or >>> less in height. >>> >>> “Roadway” means highway as defined in Wis. Stat. § 340.01(22). >>> >>> “Trail” means any maintained travel route through a natural area, the >>> surface of which may be >>> >>> dirt, mowed turf, gravel, wood chips or boardwalk. >>> >>> (3) Bicycles Allowed. Any person may ride a bicycle: >>> >>> (a) in a City park on paved roadways, parking areas, paved paths and mowed >>> turf areas >>> >>> which are not trails. >>> >>> (b) anywhere in Quarry Park. >>> >>> (c) on two designated trails in Edna Taylor Park, providing access to >>> Femrite Drive and >>> >>> Glendale School, respectively. >>> >>> (d) on one designated trail through Owen Park, running from Inner Drive to >>> Bordner Drive. >>> >>> (e) other specific areas designated and posted according to an order issued >>> by the Park >>> >>> Commission. >>> >>> (4) Prohibitions. >>> >>> (a) It shall be unlawful for any person to ride a bicycle on any trail or >>> natural area in any City >>> >>> park except trails or areas designated and posted as open to bicycles, >>> according to an >>> >>> order issued by the Park Commission. >>> >>> (b) It shall be unlawful for any person to ride or operate any bicycle >>> within areas of the >>> >>> Henry Vilas Zoo unless specific permission has been granted by the Henry >>> Vilas Zoo >>> >>> Director. (Am. by ORD-11-00168, 12-6-11) >>> >>> Sec. 8.31(4)(c) PUBLIC PROPERTY >>> >>> Rev. 12/15/11 8 - 18 >>> >>> (c) It shall be unlawful for any person to ride a bicycle on a mowed turf >>> area in City parks >>> >>> when such area has been designated and posted as closed to bicycles, >>> according to an >>> >>> order issued by the Park Commission. >>> >>> (5) Penalty. Any person violating this ordinance shall be subject to a fine >>> of not less than ten dollars >>> >>> ($10) nor more than fifty dollars ($50). >>> >>> (Cr. by Ord. 8055, 6-17-83; >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __._,_.___ >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Posted by: Peter Bradley <[email protected]> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *Reply via web post >>> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MarqNA/conversations/messages/12362;_ylc=X3oDMTJydXVqZnFxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1NDgyNTgxBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTI0NjMzNgRtc2dJZAMxMjM2MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzE0Mzg2MDMzNzc-?act=reply&messageNum=12362> >>> * >>> >>> • >>> >>> Reply to sender >>> <[email protected]?subject=Re%3A%20%5BMarqNA%5D%20Bicycling%20on%20the%20sidewalk%20in%20Orton%20Park> >>> >>> • >>> >>> Reply to group >>> <[email protected]?subject=Re%3A%20%5BMarqNA%5D%20Bicycling%20on%20the%20sidewalk%20in%20Orton%20Park> >>> >>> • >>> >>> Start a New Topic >>> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MarqNA/conversations/newtopic;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMHMwN2JlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1NDgyNTgxBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTI0NjMzNgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0Mzg2MDMzNzc-> >>> >>> • >>> >>> Messages in this topic >>> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MarqNA/conversations/topics/12360;_ylc=X3oDMTM3dWRsMzU2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1NDgyNTgxBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTI0NjMzNgRtc2dJZAMxMjM2MgRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0Mzg2MDMzNzcEdHBjSWQDMTIzNjA-> >>> (2) >>> >>> *Visit Your Group >>> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MarqNA/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJmZGM2Y2hjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1NDgyNTgxBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTI0NjMzNgRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE0Mzg2MDMzNzc->* >>> >>> · *New Members >>> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/MarqNA/members/all;_ylc=X3oDMTJnOWxldGk5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1NDgyNTgxBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTI0NjMzNgRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxNDM4NjAzMzc3>** >>> 1 * >>> >>> [image: Yahoo! 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