Here's a link to the confusing signage for those that aren't familiar: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4RtNErivWC-cFN2LXBHZExwVGc/view?usp=docslist_api
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 1:09 PM, Robert F. Nagel <[email protected]> wrote: > What Grant said. > > --- > > Robert F. Nagel, Attorney > Law Offices of Robert Nagel > [email protected] > www.nagel-law.com > Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor > 30 W. Mifflin St., Suite 1001 > Madison, WI 53703 > 608-255-1501 office > 608-255-1504 fax > 608-438-9501 cell > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Grant Foster <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Why does riding through the park have to be about saving time? Describing >> this as a 'short-cut' or 'cut-through' and stating that alternate routes >> are fine misses the whole point for me. I want to ride through the park to >> enjoy it, just like most people that walk on this path are walking through >> the park and not using it as access TO the park for some other park-related >> activity. Why do pedestrians feel that they need to use that 'short-cut' >> when they could easily walk around the park instead? >> >> Why is riding a bike through a park not an intended use that we encourage >> and support? Maybe next time someone gets hit be an errant frisbee when can >> ban that too... >> >> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 12:14 PM, Mitchell Nussbaum <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> A long time ago, the Orton Park diagonal path was a designated bike >>> route. I used to ride on it until I noticed that the city had taken down >>> the bike route sign. I started going down Rutledge instead. No problem. >>> What are the demographics of the bikers who are zipping through the >>> park? Are they young teenagers? Are they (technically) adults? Are they >>> recreational riders? Commuters? >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From: *"Robbie Webber" <[email protected]> >>> *To: *"Matt Logan" <[email protected]> >>> *Cc: *"SASYNA-Discussions" <[email protected]>, >>> "Dryer, David" <[email protected]>, "bikies" <[email protected]>, >>> "marqNA" <[email protected]>, "Knepp, Eric" < >>> [email protected]> >>> *Sent: *Monday, August 3, 2015 11:54:46 AM >>> *Subject: *Re: [Bikies] [MarqNA] Bicycling on the sidewalk in Orton Park >>> >>> It really is unfortunate that we are considering an ordinance change or >>> physical limitations (that will cost time and money) just because some >>> people on bikes are jerks. It gives people riding bikes in general a bad >>> name, and does not promote better community relations. >>> The people riding fast through a city park when pedestrians, and >>> especially children are present really piss me off. I had a friend that >>> lived over there, and I biked past/around Orton Park frequently. It never >>> occurred to me to cut through. It's not a very big block, so you aren't >>> gaining that much by using the diagonal instead of the local streets. >>> >>> Maybe we need speed humps on the sidewalk. >>> >>> Too bad that we can't ban cars from certain streets when a few drivers >>> are jerks. THAT would make the city much better. >>> >>> Robbie Webber >>> Transportation Policy Analyst >>> 608-263-9984 (o) >>> 608-225-0002 (c) >>> [email protected] >>> All opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those >>> of my employer or any other group with which I am affiliated. >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 8:34 AM, Matthew Logan <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Can we remove the diagonal sidewalk in Orton Park so it is not an >>>> appealing cut-through for people riding bicycles? >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:* [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 03, 2015 7:03 AM >>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>> *Cc:* [email protected]; [email protected]; Ross, >>>> Arthur; Dryer, David; Knepp, Eric >>>> *Subject:* Re: [MarqNA] Bicycling on the sidewalk in Orton Park >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I would think that walking bikes can be allowed. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Peter Bradley >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 8:10 PM, 'Rummel, Marsha' >>>> [email protected] [MarqNA] <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I have received recent complaints from people concerned that bicyclists >>>> are speeding through Orton Park. At least two people have reported to me >>>> that they have been clipped by bicyclists coming behind them. This park has >>>> playground equipment and is used regularly by young families and kids as >>>> well as runners and walkers. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It is legal to ride your bikes on the sidewalk in a city park. There is >>>> a no bicycle sign in Orton but it is there to prohibit people from riding >>>> on the turf in order to protect the root zone of the oaks from compaction. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Rutledge is a bike commuter route and some bicyclists use the >>>> diagonal park path as a cut through to Spaight St and avoid the sharp turn >>>> at Ingersoll (or Few St). >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I've attached the ordinance below. I could amend it and add Orton to >>>> the list that includes Henry Vilas Zoo as a prohibited parks for bicyclists >>>> to use if there is neighborhood support. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'd like to get feedback on people's experiences in the park in regard >>>> to concerns about excessive speed of bicyclists and imact on safety of >>>> other park users. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Here is the ordinance. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *8.31 BICYCLES IN PARKS.* >>>> >>>> (1) Purpose and Intent. The Common Council finds that as the use of City >>>> parks increases, it is in the public interest to protect and preserve >>>> parkland resources while making these resources accessible to the >>>> multiplicity of City park users. The Common Council specifically >>>> authorizes the Park Commission to identify trails within parkland suitable >>>> for bicycle use. The use of bicycles on >>>> >>>> trails not designated for that specific use denigrates the parkland by >>>> accelerating erosion and endangers hikers because of inadequate sight >>>> clearance. It is the intent of this ordinance to reconcile the desires of >>>> individual park users with the need to preserve the resources for all >>>> citizens and to that end to designate certain parks and park areas for use >>>> consistent with safety, >>>> >>>> preservation of natural resources and recreational enjoyment. >>>> >>>> (2) Definitions. >>>> >>>> “Bicycle” has the meaning specified in Wis. Stat. § 340.01(5). >>>> >>>> “City park” means City-owned property designated and operated as a park >>>> for general recreational use but does not include greenways or >>>> conservation parks. >>>> >>>> “Conservation park” has the meaning specified in Sec. 8.40(2), MGO. >>>> >>>> “Natural area” means any area not mowed on a regular basis to turf 6” or >>>> less in height. >>>> >>>> “Roadway” means highway as defined in Wis. Stat. § 340.01(22). >>>> >>>> “Trail” means any maintained travel route through a natural area, the >>>> surface of which may be >>>> >>>> dirt, mowed turf, gravel, wood chips or boardwalk. >>>> >>>> (3) Bicycles Allowed. Any person may ride a bicycle: >>>> >>>> (a) in a City park on paved roadways, parking areas, paved paths and mowed >>>> turf areas >>>> >>>> which are not trails. >>>> >>>> (b) anywhere in Quarry Park. >>>> >>>> (c) on two designated trails in Edna Taylor Park, providing access to >>>> Femrite Drive and >>>> >>>> Glendale School, respectively. >>>> >>>> (d) on one designated trail through Owen Park, running from Inner Drive to >>>> Bordner Drive. >>>> >>>> (e) other specific areas designated and posted according to an order >>>> issued by the Park >>>> >>>> Commission. >>>> >>>> (4) Prohibitions. >>>> >>>> (a) It shall be unlawful for any person to ride a bicycle on any trail or >>>> natural area in any City >>>> >>>> park except trails or areas designated and posted as open to bicycles, >>>> according to an >>>> >>>> order issued by the Park Commission. >>>> >>>> (b) It shall be unlawful for any person to ride or operate any bicycle >>>> within areas of the >>>> >>>> Henry Vilas Zoo unless specific permission has been granted by the Henry >>>> Vilas Zoo >>>> >>>> Director. (Am. by ORD-11-00168, 12-6-11) >>>> >>>> Sec. 8.31(4)(c) PUBLIC PROPERTY >>>> >>>> Rev. 12/15/11 8 - 18 >>>> >>>> (c) It shall be unlawful for any person to ride a bicycle on a mowed turf >>>> area in City parks >>>> >>>> when such area has been designated and posted as closed to bicycles, >>>> according to an >>>> >>>> order issued by the Park Commission. >>>> >>>> (5) Penalty. 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