Ok, then, here's my input: Let's not apply permanent solutions to temporary problems. If this were a chronic problem, I'd be all for some kind of structural solution. Barriers, enforcement, whatever. But just like I have kids who buzz down my sidewalk on the way to school, the people (I'm assuming young people) who have been buzzing Orton will calm down or grow up. I don't mean to diminish the concerns of the folks who got buzzed, it's inexcusable. But as the philosopher said, this too shall pass. Although it wouldn't hurt it to give an "On your left" as it passes...
-------------Patrick Lenon From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 01:15:52 +0000 CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [Bikies] [MarqNA] Bicycling on the sidewalk in Orton Park I asked for input. Asking for input should not be seen as rattling cages. I am aware of at least two people have been nicked/clipped/hit by bikes, please imagine if that was you. I am not proposing changes at this time but seeking feedback and ideas. Thank you. Marsha From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Carl DuRocher [email protected] [MarqNA] <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 7:41 PM To: Dave Watts [email protected] [MarqNA] Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; Ross, Arthur; Dryer, David; Knepp, Eric Subject: Re: [MarqNA] Bicycling on the sidewalk in Orton Park The diagonal sidewalk is a convenient way to get into and/or through the park for more than just bicyclists. But so what, even if it were? Let's not start rattling cages in Parks and Streets about this. -- Carl DuRocher (608)251-8637 "You're either on the bus, or off the bus." - - Ken Kesey of the Merry Pranksters On Tue, 4 Aug 2015, Dave Watts [email protected] [MarqNA] wrote: > Really? We want to make it more difficult to bike? I've lived in the > neighborhood since 1977. Can't remember any bicycle / pedestrian accidents > in the park. Leave things the way they are. > > From: "'Matthew Logan' [email protected] [MarqNA]" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; "'Ross, Arthur'" > <[email protected]>; "'Dryer, David'" <[email protected]>; > "'Knepp, Eric'" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 8:34 AM > Subject: RE: [MarqNA] Bicycling on the sidewalk in Orton Park > > Can we remove the diagonal sidewalk in Orton Park so it is not an appealing > cut-through for people riding bicycles? > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 7:03 AM > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; Ross, Arthur; > Dryer, David; Knepp, Eric > Subject: Re: [MarqNA] Bicycling on the sidewalk in Orton Park I would > think that walking bikes can be allowed. Peter Bradley On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 > at 8:10 PM, 'Rummel, Marsha' [email protected] [MarqNA] > <[email protected]> wrote: I have received recent complaints from people concerned that bicyclists are speeding through Orton Park. At least two people have reported to me that they have been clipped by bicyclists coming behind them. This park has playground equipment and is used regularly by young families and kids as well as runners and walkers. It is legal to ride your bikes on the sidewalk in a city park. There is a no bicycle sign in Orton but it is there to prohibit people from riding on the turf in order to protect the root zone of the oaks from compaction. Rutledge is a bike commuter route and some bicyclists use the diagonal park path as a cut through to Spaight St and avoid the sharp turn at Ingersoll (or Few St). I've attached the ordinance below. I could amend it and add Orton to the list that includes Henry Vilas Zoo as a prohibited parks for bicyclists to use if there is neighborhood support. I'd like to get feedback on people's experiences in the park in regard to concerns about excessive speed of bicyclists and imact on safety of other park users. Marsha Here is the ordinance. 8.31 BICYCLES IN PARKS.(1) Purpose and Intent. The Common Council finds that as the use of City parks increases, it is in the public interest to protect and preserve parkland resources while making these resources accessible to the multiplicity of City park users. The Common Council specifically authorizes the Park Commission to identify trails within parkland suitable for bicycle use. The use of bicycles ontrails not designated for that specific use denigrates the parkland by accelerating erosion and endangers hikers because of inadequate sight clearance. It is the intent of this ordinance to reconcile the desires of individual park users with the need to preserve the resources for all citizens and to that end to designate certain parks and park areas for use consistent with safety,preservation of natural resources and recreational enjoyment.(2) Definitions.“Bicycle” has the meaning specified in Wis. Stat. § 340.01(5).“City park” means City-owned property designated and operated as a park for general recreational use but does not include greenways or conservation parks.“Conservation park” has the meaning specified in Sec. 8.40(2), MGO.“Natural area” means any area not mowed on a regular basis to turf 6” or less in height.“Roadway” means highway as defined in Wis. Stat. § 340.01(22).“Trail” means any maintained travel route through a natural area, the surface of which may bedirt, mowed turf, gravel, wood chips or boardwalk.(3) Bicycles Allowed. Any person may ride a bicycle:(a) in a City park on paved roadways, parking areas, paved paths and mowed turf areaswhich are not trails.(b) anywhere in Quarry Park.(c) on two designated trails in Edna Taylor Park, providing access to Femrite Drive andGlendale School, respectively.(d) on one designated trail through Owen Park, running from Inner Drive to Bordner Drive.(e) other specific areas designated and posted according to an order issued by the ParkCommission.(4) Prohibitions.(a) It shall be unlawful for any person to ride a bicycle on any trail or natural area in any Citypark except trails or areas designated and posted as open to bicycles, according to anorder issued by the Park Commission.(b) It shall be unlawful for any person to ride or operate any bicycle within areas of theHenry Vilas Zoo unless specific permission has been granted by the Henry Vilas ZooDirector. (Am. by ORD-11-00168, 12-6-11)Sec. 8.31(4)(c) PUBLIC PROPERTYRev. 12/15/11 8 - 18(c) It shall be unlawful for any person to ride a bicycle on a mowed turf area in City parkswhen such area has been designated and posted as closed to bicycles, according to anorder issued by the Park Commission.(5) Penalty. 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