My main point was and still is that, whether we like it or not, if we continue adding more and more greenhouse gas from fuel burning in travel etc, our environment will be less and livable. In fact, it's already starting. Listen to the archived show on WORTFM "In Our Backyard" that aired 2/2/16 for the piece on Bolivia. We are fortunate so far that not much change has occurred in Wisconsin. Lucky us.
On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 4:25 PM, India Viola via Bikies < [email protected]> wrote: > Knock it off, guys. Message each other privately if you want to continue. > Let's get back to Bikies. > > -india > > > WeAreAllMechanics.com > [email protected] > > Stay connected- Follow WAAM on Facebook > <http://www.facebook.com/We.Are.All.Mechanics> > > *Think of something lovely for a moment. * > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Robert F. Nagel via Bikies < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> That's right, Al. You didn't take a stand on this. He did. That's why his >> post was either not ad hominem or, at worst, arguably not ad hominem. >> That's why your post was ad hominem, pure and simple. Your post was purely >> for the purpose of attacking Bill. >> >> --- >> >> Robert F. Nagel, Attorney >> Law Offices of Robert Nagel >> [email protected] >> www.nagel-law.com >> Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor >> 30 W. Mifflin St., Suite 1001 >> Madison, WI 53703 >> 608-255-1501 office >> 608-255-1504 fax >> 608-438-9501 cell >> >> On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Al Matano via Bikies < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> There was no jest in Bill's statement. I didn't even take a stance on the >>> issue at hand. I logged on to my e-mail and found his post. By saying >>> "the >>> anti-reality movement" Bill's statement was an attack on *people* who >>> disagree with him, not their ideas. >>> >>> Al >>> >>> > You seem to be accusing Bill of resorting to ad hominem attacks. I do >>> not >>> > believe that he did so by describing positions as being "anti-reality" >>> and >>> > associating adherents of those positions with a fictitious >>> "anti-reality >>> > movement." Clearly, there is no such movement. Clearly, it was said in >>> > jest >>> > and seemingly without particular malice. >>> > >>> > On the other hand, Al, you have resorted to ad hominem attacks of Bill. >>> > You >>> > have called him a "total jerk" and a "disgrace." >>> > >>> > Discourse remains civil as long as positions and not persons are >>> attacked. >>> > It is no longer civil when persons, rather than positions, are >>> attacked. >>> > Al, your post of 12 minutes ago is what has dragged this discussion >>> into >>> > the gutter, not Bill's post from the weekend. >>> > >>> > --- >>> > >>> > Robert F. Nagel, Attorney >>> > Law Offices of Robert Nagel >>> > [email protected] >>> > www.nagel-law.com >>> > Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor >>> > 30 W. Mifflin St., Suite 1001 >>> > Madison, WI 53703 >>> > 608-255-1501 office >>> > 608-255-1504 fax >>> > 608-438-9501 cell >>> > >>> > On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Al Matano via Bikies < >>> > [email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> >> William, it is possible to have a disagreement without being a total >>> >> jerk. >>> >> Calling people you disagree with "the anti-reality movement" is >>> uncalled >>> >> for. >>> >> >>> >> You are a disgrace. This is not good public discourse. This is far >>> from >>> >> the first time you have used language like this on this list serve. >>> >> >>> >> Al Matano >>> >> Dane County Board, District 11 >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> > When I first started following transportation issues in the area, >>> over >>> >> > 20 years ago, I participated in a focus group of bikies about the >>> >> > Verona Road/Beltline issue. And probably a dozen meetings, open >>> >> > houses, charretes, etc since then. And every time sensible people >>> >> > pointed out the need for non-SOV solutions. >>> >> > >>> >> > In the intervening years, the Transport 2020 plan has been gathering >>> >> > dust, because public transportation is "too expensive". >>> >> > >>> >> > And now we're dropping over $175(?) Million just on the Verona Road >>> >> > interchange. >>> >> > >>> >> > That's our reality. >>> >> > >>> >> > Quoting Robbie Webber via Bikies <[email protected]>: >>> >> > >>> >> >> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 6:12 PM, William Hauda via Bikies < >>> >> >> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >> >>> >> >>> I guess I pushed the buttons of the anti-reality movement. >>> >> Those >>> >> >>> of >>> >> >>> us who are actually doing stuff and not just engaging in the >>> wishful >>> >> >>> games >>> >> >>> of bicycle utopia, which we all want to achieve, will continue to >>> >> work >>> >> >>> and >>> >> >>> deal with these issues in the real world. >>> >> >>> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> As someone who actually does work with state DOTs as my day job >>> >> >> (although >>> >> >> sadly, not WisDOT), I can tell you that many state DOTs in both red >>> >> and >>> >> >> blue states, rural and urban, and all areas of the country, are >>> >> >> realizing >>> >> >> that highway expansion is not the answer to congestion. Also, >>> >> congestion >>> >> >> is >>> >> >> not the metric that they will be using 20 years from now. >>> >> >> p with which I am affiliated. >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > -- >>> >> > darin burleigh >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> > _______________________________________________ >>> >> > Bikies mailing list >>> >> > [email protected] >>> >> > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >>> >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> Bikies mailing list >>> >> [email protected] >>> >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >>> >> >>> > >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Bikies mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bikies mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > >
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