There was no jest in Bill's statement. I didn't even take a stance on the issue at hand. I logged on to my e-mail and found his post. By saying "the anti-reality movement" Bill's statement was an attack on *people* who disagree with him, not their ideas.
Al > You seem to be accusing Bill of resorting to ad hominem attacks. I do not > believe that he did so by describing positions as being "anti-reality" and > associating adherents of those positions with a fictitious "anti-reality > movement." Clearly, there is no such movement. Clearly, it was said in > jest > and seemingly without particular malice. > > On the other hand, Al, you have resorted to ad hominem attacks of Bill. > You > have called him a "total jerk" and a "disgrace." > > Discourse remains civil as long as positions and not persons are attacked. > It is no longer civil when persons, rather than positions, are attacked. > Al, your post of 12 minutes ago is what has dragged this discussion into > the gutter, not Bill's post from the weekend. > > --- > > Robert F. Nagel, Attorney > Law Offices of Robert Nagel > [email protected] > www.nagel-law.com > Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor > 30 W. Mifflin St., Suite 1001 > Madison, WI 53703 > 608-255-1501 office > 608-255-1504 fax > 608-438-9501 cell > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Al Matano via Bikies < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> William, it is possible to have a disagreement without being a total >> jerk. >> Calling people you disagree with "the anti-reality movement" is uncalled >> for. >> >> You are a disgrace. This is not good public discourse. This is far from >> the first time you have used language like this on this list serve. >> >> Al Matano >> Dane County Board, District 11 >> >> >> > When I first started following transportation issues in the area, over >> > 20 years ago, I participated in a focus group of bikies about the >> > Verona Road/Beltline issue. And probably a dozen meetings, open >> > houses, charretes, etc since then. And every time sensible people >> > pointed out the need for non-SOV solutions. >> > >> > In the intervening years, the Transport 2020 plan has been gathering >> > dust, because public transportation is "too expensive". >> > >> > And now we're dropping over $175(?) Million just on the Verona Road >> > interchange. >> > >> > That's our reality. >> > >> > Quoting Robbie Webber via Bikies <[email protected]>: >> > >> >> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 6:12 PM, William Hauda via Bikies < >> >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >>> I guess I pushed the buttons of the anti-reality movement. >> Those >> >>> of >> >>> us who are actually doing stuff and not just engaging in the wishful >> >>> games >> >>> of bicycle utopia, which we all want to achieve, will continue to >> work >> >>> and >> >>> deal with these issues in the real world. >> >>> >> >> >> >> As someone who actually does work with state DOTs as my day job >> >> (although >> >> sadly, not WisDOT), I can tell you that many state DOTs in both red >> and >> >> blue states, rural and urban, and all areas of the country, are >> >> realizing >> >> that highway expansion is not the answer to congestion. Also, >> congestion >> >> is >> >> not the metric that they will be using 20 years from now. >> >> p with which I am affiliated. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > darin burleigh >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Bikies mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bikies mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> > _______________________________________________ Bikies mailing list [email protected] http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org
