Knock it off, guys. Message each other privately if you want to continue. Let's get back to Bikies.
-india WeAreAllMechanics.com [email protected] Stay connected- Follow WAAM on Facebook <http://www.facebook.com/We.Are.All.Mechanics> *Think of something lovely for a moment. * On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 4:23 PM, Robert F. Nagel via Bikies < [email protected]> wrote: > That's right, Al. You didn't take a stand on this. He did. That's why his > post was either not ad hominem or, at worst, arguably not ad hominem. > That's why your post was ad hominem, pure and simple. Your post was purely > for the purpose of attacking Bill. > > --- > > Robert F. Nagel, Attorney > Law Offices of Robert Nagel > [email protected] > www.nagel-law.com > Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor > 30 W. Mifflin St., Suite 1001 > Madison, WI 53703 > 608-255-1501 office > 608-255-1504 fax > 608-438-9501 cell > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 4:18 PM, Al Matano via Bikies < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> There was no jest in Bill's statement. I didn't even take a stance on the >> issue at hand. I logged on to my e-mail and found his post. By saying "the >> anti-reality movement" Bill's statement was an attack on *people* who >> disagree with him, not their ideas. >> >> Al >> >> > You seem to be accusing Bill of resorting to ad hominem attacks. I do >> not >> > believe that he did so by describing positions as being "anti-reality" >> and >> > associating adherents of those positions with a fictitious "anti-reality >> > movement." Clearly, there is no such movement. Clearly, it was said in >> > jest >> > and seemingly without particular malice. >> > >> > On the other hand, Al, you have resorted to ad hominem attacks of Bill. >> > You >> > have called him a "total jerk" and a "disgrace." >> > >> > Discourse remains civil as long as positions and not persons are >> attacked. >> > It is no longer civil when persons, rather than positions, are attacked. >> > Al, your post of 12 minutes ago is what has dragged this discussion into >> > the gutter, not Bill's post from the weekend. >> > >> > --- >> > >> > Robert F. Nagel, Attorney >> > Law Offices of Robert Nagel >> > [email protected] >> > www.nagel-law.com >> > Thirty on the Square, 10th Floor >> > 30 W. Mifflin St., Suite 1001 >> > Madison, WI 53703 >> > 608-255-1501 office >> > 608-255-1504 fax >> > 608-438-9501 cell >> > >> > On Mon, Feb 1, 2016 at 4:00 PM, Al Matano via Bikies < >> > [email protected]> wrote: >> > >> >> William, it is possible to have a disagreement without being a total >> >> jerk. >> >> Calling people you disagree with "the anti-reality movement" is >> uncalled >> >> for. >> >> >> >> You are a disgrace. This is not good public discourse. This is far from >> >> the first time you have used language like this on this list serve. >> >> >> >> Al Matano >> >> Dane County Board, District 11 >> >> >> >> >> >> > When I first started following transportation issues in the area, >> over >> >> > 20 years ago, I participated in a focus group of bikies about the >> >> > Verona Road/Beltline issue. And probably a dozen meetings, open >> >> > houses, charretes, etc since then. And every time sensible people >> >> > pointed out the need for non-SOV solutions. >> >> > >> >> > In the intervening years, the Transport 2020 plan has been gathering >> >> > dust, because public transportation is "too expensive". >> >> > >> >> > And now we're dropping over $175(?) Million just on the Verona Road >> >> > interchange. >> >> > >> >> > That's our reality. >> >> > >> >> > Quoting Robbie Webber via Bikies <[email protected]>: >> >> > >> >> >> On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 6:12 PM, William Hauda via Bikies < >> >> >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> I guess I pushed the buttons of the anti-reality movement. >> >> Those >> >> >>> of >> >> >>> us who are actually doing stuff and not just engaging in the >> wishful >> >> >>> games >> >> >>> of bicycle utopia, which we all want to achieve, will continue to >> >> work >> >> >>> and >> >> >>> deal with these issues in the real world. >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> As someone who actually does work with state DOTs as my day job >> >> >> (although >> >> >> sadly, not WisDOT), I can tell you that many state DOTs in both red >> >> and >> >> >> blue states, rural and urban, and all areas of the country, are >> >> >> realizing >> >> >> that highway expansion is not the answer to congestion. Also, >> >> congestion >> >> >> is >> >> >> not the metric that they will be using 20 years from now. >> >> >> p with which I am affiliated. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > darin burleigh >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Bikies mailing list >> >> > [email protected] >> >> > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Bikies mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> >> >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bikies mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Bikies mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.danenet.org/listinfo.cgi/bikies-danenet.org > >
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