Actually that's what we've been saying for 3 days already, still I am glad to hear that the policy is being adopted widely. David Ferrin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Hallsworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "blind-computing @jaws-users.com" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2007 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST
Actually, I think it's proper manners, or etiquette, to send the same message separately to more than one list instead of sehdning it to multiple lists at the same time. What do you all think? I've resorted to this method now, and no one's complained yet. Thanks! On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 15:52:35 -0400, "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > o ok Many thanks for clearing that up. I really wasn't sure what was > meant > by cross posting but now that I know I will try not to do it. What if you > were to write one message to one list select the text copy it to the clip > board and paste the same message to another list but opening up a new > message? say I wanted to write to blind computing and jaws users and > write > the same message. well if I was to write one message to blind computing > and > then select all the text using alt a and then copy it to the clip board > and > then paste the same message in the message that I was sending to the > jaws > users list with the same subject as the one that I was sending to the > blind > computing list would that be considered anything? many thanks for your > reply. from Mich Verrier. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rick Harmon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > > That is considered cross posting and isn't good etiquette for mailing > > lists. > > Also using BCC breaks peoples filters and is also considered bad > > etiquette > > on lists as well. > > > > Rick > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 3:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > > > > ok I have a much more simple solution. why not just compose one message > > and > > go in to your cc field or bcc fealed in OE or something and then put > > the > > address of another list in that field and that way you can send it to > > both > > lists with out having to go through all that work? from Mich Verrier. > > That > > is what I do and it seems to work quite fine for me. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Gallik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:22 PM > > Subject: Re: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > > > > > >> OK Gang, > >> > >> Richard and David have chastised folks for cross-posting and suggested > >> that > >> we send separate messages -- although possibly identical -- to each > >> list > >> separately. However, it occurred to me that some of you may not > >> realize > >> a > >> convenient way to do this. So, I'm offering two ways to do just that: > >> > >> 1) Open up your text editor and compose the message/question and then > >> copy > >> the entire contents of that text session ( <CONTROL> + <A> ) into the > >> clipboard, then paste the clipboard contents ( <CONTROL> + <P> ) into > >> the > >> two separate messages - one for each list. > >> > >> 2) Or you can simply compose an original message for one list, then > >> using > >> the <CONTROL>+<A> (copy all) and <CONTROL>+<P> commands to copy the > >> message > >> from one email composition for one list into a second email composition > >> for > >> the second list. > >> > >> Actually, I'm using the first method to send this message to both the > >> Blind > >> Computing and JAWS Users list. > >> > >> ---------------- > >> Bill Gallik > >> E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> - "The keenest sorrow is to recognize ourselves as the sole cause of > >> all > >> our > >> adversities." > >> - Sophocles > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Moderator" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "blind-computing" <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 1:52 AM > >> Subject: [Blind-Computing] MEMO TO THE LIST > >> > >> > >> All, > >> In the past month the membership to both lists has grown, causing the > >> management team > >> to take a closer look at general list operation. > >> A couple of items have come to the attention of the management team > >> and this applies to both the blind-computing, and jaws-users lists. > >> Members that are subscribed to both lists, will get this twice since it > >> will > >> be posted to both > >> lists. > >> 1. Cross-posting > >> Recently, it appears that the number of cross-postings to the list has > >> increased. > >> We need to bring this method of posting to an end. > >> Besides the fact that cross-posting is improper e-mail list etiquet, > >> it's benefits are out-weighed by the problems it causes. > >> Plain and simplly put, it's nothing less than laziness on the part of > >> the > >> poster. > >> This method of posting plays havoc with some peoples message rules in > >> their > >> e-mail client. > >> This practice is annoying, as well as inconsiderate, and discourteous > >> to > >> others. > >> Members should not have to adjust their message rules , to accomodate > >> those > >> who won't take an extra > >> minute or so to post in a proper manner. > >> Additionally, it generates unnecessary list traffic, and actually > >> serves > >> to > >> slow the overall > >> performance of the list. > >> If you want to post the same question to multiple lists, then it should > >> be > >> done on an individual > >> message basis. > >> I currently subscribe to more than 30 lists, and on occasion I will > >> post > >> the > >> same question to > >> several lists, but I do it without cross-posting. > >> If you are subscribed to several lists, as I'm sure many are, then > >> post your question to the list that is most appropriate for it. > >> If you don't recieve an answer, then you can > >> figure 1 of 2 things generally speaking: > >> Either no one on-list has an answer to your question, or the person > >> that > >> has > >> an answer hasn't read > >> the message yet. > >> If you don't get an answer on a specialized list such as for example > >> jaws-users.com, > >> Then post your question to a more generalized list such as > >> blind-computing.com. > >> There is a list of e-mail lists on the resources page at: > >> www.blind-computing.com > >> that includes links to other pages that contain additional e-mail list > >> information. > >> Also, just like placing o/t in the subject field doesn't make it okay > >> to > >> post the message, > >> saying I apologize, or sorry for the cross-posting doesn't excuse the > >> action. > >> Placing this statement in the message says that the poster has only > >> one > >> consideration, and that is > >> themselves. > >> Don't perform the action, and you won't have to apologize for it. > >> For those in an employment situation, I can understand your sense of > >> urgency > >> for an answer to a > >> problem, > >> but you get what you pay for, and if you expect a quick answer to your > >> question, you should be > >> getting tech support on a pay-for basis, where you can have more of a > >> say > >> in > >> how your request is > >> handled. > >> Let's remenmber that e-mail lists are comprised of people of all > >> computing > >> skills, > >> and that noone here is getting paid for the assistance they offer. > >> If you are not in an employment situation, and your questions are aimed > >> at > >> personal computing, then, > >> there should be less of a sense of urgency. > >> Everyone on the list does their best to respond in a timely mmanner. > >> So, we all need to be patient. > >> Keep in mind, that this doesn't mean one type of user is more deserving > >> of > >> help than another. > >> David and I will work on the appropriate wording for this , and it will > >> be > >> added to the list > >> guidelines, at the earliest possible time. > >> > >> 2. File Requests. > >> Recently, we have had some excellent contributions to the list, from > >> within > >> the membership. > >> And we want to encourage this to continue. > >> We will be working on a better system of file distribution, > >> so that when menmbers have files they want to share with the list, > >> we have a way for members to get the file, or files to the management > >> team > >> so that we can make them readily available to all list members. > >> The reason for this, is thatwhen a member posts to the list, that they > >> have > >> files to share, > >> this dramatically increases list traffic and band width. > >> In order to stream the process and make it more efficient, we will see > >> what > >> we can put in place > >> to facilitate this. > >> If we can make this happen, then there will be no need to post to the > >> list > >> asking people to send files privately. > >> If a member has a file that may benefit other users, and he or she > >> wants > >> to > >> send it to another > >> member privately, > >> then they need to take that transaction completely off-list. > >> This will greatly reduce the occurance of people flooding the list with > >> requests for private e-mail attachments. > >> How it works: > >> When a member has a file to share with the list membership, > >> they need only make it available to the management team. > >> At this point, the management team can put the file in an accessible > >> location, and then make the > >> membership aware of that location, > >> with only one post to the list. > >> Now, you can see that 1 message is posted, but the file is available to > >> all > >> members. > >> Instant reduction in redundent messages to the list. > >> 3. Just a reminder, that we all, management team included, need to try > >> and > >> keep our subject lines on > >> track. > >> If David has additional comments he will post them in a seperate post. > >> > >> Richard Justice-list moderator > >> David A. Ferrin list owner > >> www.blind-computing.com > >> www.jaws-users.com > >> Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: > >> http://www.blind-computing.com > >> Address for the list archives: > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > >> To post to this group, send email to > >> [email protected] > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the > >> subject > >> or > >> body of a blank message to: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Use the following form in order to contact the management team > >> http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php > >> If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the > >> following > >> address: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: > >> http://www.blind-computing.com > >> Address for the list archives: > >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > >> To post to this group, send email to > >> [email protected] > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the > >> subject > >> or body of a blank message to: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Use the following form in order to contact the management team > >> http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php > >> If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the > >> following address: > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > > > > > > Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: > > http://www.blind-computing.com > > Address for the list archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > To post to this group, send email to > > [email protected] > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject > > or > > body of a blank message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Use the following form in order to contact the management team > > http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php > > If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the > > following > > address: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: > > http://www.blind-computing.com > > Address for the list archives: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > To post to this group, send email to > > [email protected] > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject > > or body of a blank message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Use the following form in order to contact the management team > > http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php > > If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the > > following address: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Visit the Blind Computing List home page at: > http://www.blind-computing.com > Address for the list archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > To post to this group, send email to > [email protected] > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject > or body of a blank message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Use the following form in order to contact the management team > http://www.blind-computing.com/contact.php > If you wish to join the JAWS Users List send a blank email to the > following address: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Christopher Hallsworth E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype name chrishallsworth7266 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why not join the Blind Hobbyist mailing list! 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