There is still hope that Yahoo grants his request. Sheesh. I think he's getting worse! ----- Original Message ----- From: "James from Alchemy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:16 PM Subject: RE: audyssey: Where is the flaming?
> > Hi, Steve. > > Sorry, but you're wrong. Sales are great--but, thanks for asking! And, > if > you want to talk about being rude, look at most of your messages.. > including > the last one to Ivan. This is the BG List, not the Steve Abuse List. > Weren't you leaving? > > - James > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Steve > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 4:13 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? > > James > you are not exactly fair to the people on this this list either. You are > constantly sending them rude messages about how you will not sell them > your > game, > unfortunately for you I really don't think most of them were going to buy > your games anyway. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James from Alchemy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:39 PM > Subject: RE: audyssey: Where is the flaming? > > >> >> Hi, Thomas. >> >> You're right; Brenda is not neutral on Alchemy topics or James North >> topics. >> But, you'd be hard-pressed to see her step down as moderator. When >> Adrian >> gave up ownership of the list, it was handed over to Brenda and Kevin. >> No >> disrespect to Kevin because I think he does a better job at it, but it's >> evident that Brenda wears the pants when it comes to this gig (and, was >> so >> when David Lant was co-moderator as well). I think it was a bad decision >> to >> pass ownership on the way it was, but that's in the past. Brenda makes >> it >> very clear in her posts--even if under her breath--who she doesn't like >> with >> an acerbic tone and disposition and, in this case, picked the >> confrontation >> as I was only joking regarding the $15. I'm surprised these messages are >> even making it through as, in the past, she's blocked any discontent with >> her from reaching the list. Remember Animal Farm? Well, then there ya >> go! >> *grin* >> >> - James >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Thomas Ward >> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:25 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >> >> Hi, charles. >> Agreed. Given Brenda's last stunt I think we should replace her with a >> new mod. One more fair, and will not flame, will not release personal >> information, and one willing to be neutral on topics like this. >> It is clear from the tone of Brenda's prier posts that that she is not >> completely neutral on the Alchemy topics. >> >> >> Charles Rivard wrote: >>> Your bashing of James North on the list, which has been pointed out >> several >>> times in the past, was out of line, especially for a list >>> owner/moderator. >> >>> If you cannot see it, you're not looking. As far as the 2 off list >> Emails, >>> I don't think you should have posted the second one while seemingly >>> protecting the sender's identity. If anyone reads it, they will know >>> who >>> the sender was, won't they? That appeared to be sneaky and rather >>> underhanded, in my opinion. And I do not mind letting people know that >>> I >>> sent the first off list posting to the owner/moderator Email address. I >> do >>> think that if a moderator does not follow the guidelines, that moderator >>> should either step down or be put down, and replaced. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "brenda green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:41 AM >>> Subject: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >>> >>> >>> >>>> Something to think about, no responses needed. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> First I would like to apologize to Kevin who has taken the brunt of >>>> this >>>> thread since I've been working. Yes, I do have a life away from this >>>> list >> >>>> . I do have a job and a family. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Am I to take it as an owner/moderator of this list I'm not entitled to >>>> an >> >>>> opinion? I really don't know how this thread went from clarification of >>>> whether "orders" or "pre-orders" were being taken for Monty to where it >>>> ended up. I stated that I'd wait until the game was released and stated >>>> the fact for my decision. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The following are messages between James North and myself, some of >>>> which >>>> were sent privately. I'd just like to know where the flaming is. I have >>>> never, on or off the list, reverted to insults or namecalling. I do >>>> state >> >>>> the fact, ask unwelcome questions, and occasionally give my opinion. >>>> There's also a couple of messages from other list members who shall >> remain >>>> nameless unless they choose to admit to them. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> That's right James, who needs that extra $15. Given your record with >>>> pre-ordering, I'm surprised you'd even offer it as a pre-order. >>>> "raceway" >> >>>> was offered for pre-order in 2001 and is still not available to those >>>> who >> >>>> paid good cash for it. Monty was "shipping" November 2003 and recalled. >>>> I >> >>>> don't know of anybody that actually got the game. Now, more than a year >>>> later, you're offering Monty for pre-order? I for one, will wait until >>>> it >> >>>> is actually released to take a look at it. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Oh, and that old adage.. if you have nothing nice to say.. I don't >>>> recall >> >>>> anyone twisting YOUR arm. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> That's correct, Brenda. And, I also didn't possess "Raceway" for an >>>> entire year. However, I essentially donated four years of my life >>>> doing >>>> the community a favor. If you don't want to pre-order, then simply >> don't. >>>> Your innuendos aren't necessary. In fact, let me do you a favor in the >>>> spirit of your natural disposition. I won't sell it to you, even after >>>> it's released--very soon, by the way--I'll, in your name, raise the >>>> price >> >>>> to $49.95. So, if anyone wants to pre-order it, they'd better get >>>> busy. >>>> Ain't that right, Brenda? *smile* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: James North >>>> >>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> Cc: 'Jennifer North' >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: Post & Status >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Brenda, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Am I to assume that my response to your inflammatory post on the BG >>>> List >>>> will not be going through since only the last post of mine did? I >>>> assume >> >>>> you made a quick maneuver after posting yours and then put me back on >>>> moderated status as my posts have been coming through regularly very >>>> quickly. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> James >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: brenda green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> To: James North >>>> Cc: 'Jennifer North' >>>> Subject: Re: Post & Status >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> No James, I did not put you on moderated status. Furthermore, I do not >>>> intend on doing that. If you step over the line, you will be dealt with >>>> the same as any other member of the list. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> My post only stated facts and if you take it as flaming then perhaps >>>> you >>>> need to consider what was said. You and I both know those facts are >>>> true. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Brenda Green >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: James North >>>> >>>> To: 'brenda green' >>>> >>>> Subject: RE: Post & Status >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Brenda, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What I know was you went from toning Will down and saying, "Let's see >> what >>>> happens.." and, basically, that I have a track record of coming >>>> through-albeit, often at the last minute-and, then the snide remark >>>> about >> >>>> pre-ordering and then again tonight. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I don't expect special treatment, so that's the last time you need to >>>> imply that. Honestly, whether I'm on the list or not is >>>> inconsequential. >> >>>> As soon as I post an update to my customer base, it's on the list, >> anyway. >>>> I have eight hundred other people to send updates to. The benefit of >>>> me >>>> being on the list is that people can ask me questions directly. That's >>>> why I'm there. But, if that privilege is abused, then I'll unsubscribe >>>> again. That's not being arrogant or a threat, but keeping up on the >>>> list >> >>>> does take time out of my day. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> As far as Monty, I really don't want to air my own personal business of >>>> what 2004 was like, but I'll bet money that you'd be hard pressed to >>>> find >> >>>> any of my customer's who have had as much on their plate while trying >>>> to >>>> maintain a regular job and still work on these games for you guys. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I know what the facts are-they're in black and white in the posts. If >>>> anyone's in doubt, they can back track through the thread and then they >>>> will, too. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm sure there are probably a lot of people who would care less if I >>>> didn't keep working on the games and disappeared, but there are also a >> lot >>>> who depend on it on a few different levels. And, I do have a track >> record >>>> and if delays can't be taken into consideration based on not only the >>>> games I have written and released, not to mention inspiring others to >>>> follow suit, then I really don't know what to tell them. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I re-subscribed to be more available to the community. If you really >> need >>>> to get into a pissing match with me for whatever animosity you still >>>> seem >> >>>> to have from whatever a few years ago, then just say so or if I'm put >> back >>>> on moderated status, say so. And, I'll unsubscribe. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It really, truly, and honestly makes no difference to me. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> James >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> At this point, I refused to responp further, both on and off the list, >>>> as >> >>>> the next post shows. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: brenda green >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: audyssey: Montezuma's Revenge Orders >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> James, I have a question for you. This question does not apply to me >> since >>>> I have not pre-ordered Raceway and you refuse to sell me Monty. >>>> Somebody >>>> asked me and I'm referring the question to you since you now have the >>>> rights to both games. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Before I ask the question though, perhaps you can clarify one point >>>> please. During the year or so when AdoraEntertainment owned Raceway >>>> they >>>> refused to take pre-orders. All pre-orders were placed with you, it >>>> this >>>> true or false? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm asking you this question on the list because I don't have the >>>> answer >>>> and others on the list may be interested in the answer as well as the >>>> person that asked me. If a person has pre-ordered Raceway from you and >>>> they'd like to get Monty, can they change their order since the same >>>> company owns both games? If there's a price difference, can they pay >>>> the >>>> difference and get Monty instead of Raceway? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Brenda Green >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi, Brenda. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> That's correct. All pre-orders for Raceway were placed with me except >>>> during the period that Adora owned the game for which they took no >>>> pre-orders. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Converting a Raceway order to a Monty order would be fine. If anyone's >>>> interested, e-mail >>>> >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - James >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I've removed headers, names and signatures from the following two >>>> messages. If the senders whis to make themselves known, they can do so >>>> themselves. >>>> >>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> >>>> Subject: personal opinion >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It is well known that Brenda does not get along with James North. Open >>>> hostility has been shown by her posts to the list. Should someone who, >> on >>>> a fairly regular basis, does not follow the list guidelines by showing >>>> such open hostility, be a moderator? In my opinion, no. At least, her >>>> own messages should be moderated by the list owner. If she cannot at >>>> least follow the guidelines, she should be replaced as a moderator. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To: "brenda green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: Montezuma's Revenge Orders >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi Brenda, >>>> >>>> I'm just writing you off list to say that I think that it is a good >>>> thing >> >>>> that you bring up Mr North's pre-order record whenever he makes known >> that >>>> he is looking for them. I think of your messages as a public service >>>> message to new comers and I'm glad that you do them as it seems that >>>> one >>>> can not post any sort of negative message about Mr North, his games or >> his >>>> previous pre-order record to the list without occurring the wrath of a >>>> moderator, others and Mr North himself no matter how non flaming and >>>> factual the message may be. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Several of you may be interested in this bit of news. 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