I know. I have no problem with him not selling to certain people, and I hope I'm not one of them. I've been a supporter of him, and when people needlessly flame him, I'll defend him. If they flame him on list, he should be defended on list. I treat people with just as much respect as they show me. When they lose my respect, they have to earn it back. James North has always come through with games of superior quality. I don't think he's going to rip me off, either. I think he is honest. If I didn't, I would not have now preordered 3 games. There are other companies that I would preorder from if they offered the option. Whether they do or not is their choice. He does, and I take advantage of it.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Reagan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:54 PM Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? > He has that right. It's his company. > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 7:17 PM > Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? > > >> He wasn't being rude to them. He was being honest. He was saying that, >> based on their attitude toward him, he would not be selling them his >> games. >> Pure and simple. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:12 PM >> Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >> >> >>> James >>> you are not exactly fair to the people on this this list either. You are >>> constantly sending them rude messages about how you will not sell them >>> your >>> game, >>> unfortunately for you I really don't think most of them were going to >>> buy >>> your games anyway. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "James from Alchemy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:39 PM >>> Subject: RE: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Hi, Thomas. >>>> >>>> You're right; Brenda is not neutral on Alchemy topics or James North >>>> topics. >>>> But, you'd be hard-pressed to see her step down as moderator. When >>>> Adrian >>>> gave up ownership of the list, it was handed over to Brenda and Kevin. >>>> No >>>> disrespect to Kevin because I think he does a better job at it, but >>>> it's >>>> evident that Brenda wears the pants when it comes to this gig (and, was >>>> so >>>> when David Lant was co-moderator as well). I think it was a bad >>>> decision >>>> to >>>> pass ownership on the way it was, but that's in the past. Brenda makes >>>> it >>>> very clear in her posts--even if under her breath--who she doesn't like >>>> with >>>> an acerbic tone and disposition and, in this case, picked the >>>> confrontation >>>> as I was only joking regarding the $15. I'm surprised these messages >>>> are >>>> even making it through as, in the past, she's blocked any discontent >>>> with >>>> her from reaching the list. Remember Animal Farm? Well, then there ya >>>> go! >>>> *grin* >>>> >>>> - James >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> On >>>> Behalf Of Thomas Ward >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:25 PM >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >>>> >>>> Hi, charles. >>>> Agreed. Given Brenda's last stunt I think we should replace her with a >>>> new mod. One more fair, and will not flame, will not release personal >>>> information, and one willing to be neutral on topics like this. >>>> It is clear from the tone of Brenda's prier posts that that she is not >>>> completely neutral on the Alchemy topics. >>>> >>>> >>>> Charles Rivard wrote: >>>>> Your bashing of James North on the list, which has been pointed out >>>> several >>>>> times in the past, was out of line, especially for a list >>>>> owner/moderator. >>>> >>>>> If you cannot see it, you're not looking. As far as the 2 off list >>>> Emails, >>>>> I don't think you should have posted the second one while seemingly >>>>> protecting the sender's identity. If anyone reads it, they will know >>>>> who >>>>> the sender was, won't they? That appeared to be sneaky and rather >>>>> underhanded, in my opinion. And I do not mind letting people know >>>>> that >>>>> I >>>>> sent the first off list posting to the owner/moderator Email address. >>>>> I >>>> do >>>>> think that if a moderator does not follow the guidelines, that >>>>> moderator >>>>> should either step down or be put down, and replaced. >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "brenda green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:41 AM >>>>> Subject: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Something to think about, no responses needed. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> First I would like to apologize to Kevin who has taken the brunt of >>>>>> this >>>>>> thread since I've been working. Yes, I do have a life away from this >>>>>> list >>>> >>>>>> . I do have a job and a family. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Am I to take it as an owner/moderator of this list I'm not entitled >>>>>> to >>>>>> an >>>> >>>>>> opinion? I really don't know how this thread went from clarification >>>>>> of >>>>>> whether "orders" or "pre-orders" were being taken for Monty to where >>>>>> it >>>>>> ended up. I stated that I'd wait until the game was released and >>>>>> stated >>>>>> the fact for my decision. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The following are messages between James North and myself, some of >>>>>> which >>>>>> were sent privately. I'd just like to know where the flaming is. I >>>>>> have >>>>>> never, on or off the list, reverted to insults or namecalling. I do >>>>>> state >>>> >>>>>> the fact, ask unwelcome questions, and occasionally give my opinion. >>>>>> There's also a couple of messages from other list members who shall >>>> remain >>>>>> nameless unless they choose to admit to them. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That's right James, who needs that extra $15. Given your record with >>>>>> pre-ordering, I'm surprised you'd even offer it as a pre-order. >>>>>> "raceway" >>>> >>>>>> was offered for pre-order in 2001 and is still not available to those >>>>>> who >>>> >>>>>> paid good cash for it. Monty was "shipping" November 2003 and >>>>>> recalled. >>>>>> I >>>> >>>>>> don't know of anybody that actually got the game. Now, more than a >>>>>> year >>>>>> later, you're offering Monty for pre-order? I for one, will wait >>>>>> until >>>>>> it >>>> >>>>>> is actually released to take a look at it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh, and that old adage.. if you have nothing nice to say.. I don't >>>>>> recall >>>> >>>>>> anyone twisting YOUR arm. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That's correct, Brenda. And, I also didn't possess "Raceway" for an >>>>>> entire year. However, I essentially donated four years of my life >>>>>> doing >>>>>> the community a favor. If you don't want to pre-order, then simply >>>> don't. >>>>>> Your innuendos aren't necessary. In fact, let me do you a favor in >>>>>> the >>>>>> spirit of your natural disposition. I won't sell it to you, even >>>>>> after >>>>>> it's released--very soon, by the way--I'll, in your name, raise the >>>>>> price >>>> >>>>>> to $49.95. So, if anyone wants to pre-order it, they'd better get >>>>>> busy. >>>>>> Ain't that right, Brenda? *smile* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: James North >>>>>> >>>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> >>>>>> Cc: 'Jennifer North' >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Post & Status >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Brenda, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Am I to assume that my response to your inflammatory post on the BG >>>>>> List >>>>>> will not be going through since only the last post of mine did? I >>>>>> assume >>>> >>>>>> you made a quick maneuver after posting yours and then put me back on >>>>>> moderated status as my posts have been coming through regularly very >>>>>> quickly. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> James >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: brenda green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> To: James North >>>>>> Cc: 'Jennifer North' >>>>>> Subject: Re: Post & Status >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No James, I did not put you on moderated status. Furthermore, I do >>>>>> not >>>>>> intend on doing that. If you step over the line, you will be dealt >>>>>> with >>>>>> the same as any other member of the list. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> My post only stated facts and if you take it as flaming then perhaps >>>>>> you >>>>>> need to consider what was said. You and I both know those facts are >>>>>> true. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Brenda Green >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> ---- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: James North >>>>>> >>>>>> To: 'brenda green' >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: RE: Post & Status >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Brenda, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What I know was you went from toning Will down and saying, "Let's see >>>> what >>>>>> happens.." and, basically, that I have a track record of coming >>>>>> through-albeit, often at the last minute-and, then the snide remark >>>>>> about >>>> >>>>>> pre-ordering and then again tonight. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't expect special treatment, so that's the last time you need to >>>>>> imply that. Honestly, whether I'm on the list or not is >>>>>> inconsequential. >>>> >>>>>> As soon as I post an update to my customer base, it's on the list, >>>> anyway. >>>>>> I have eight hundred other people to send updates to. The benefit of >>>>>> me >>>>>> being on the list is that people can ask me questions directly. >>>>>> That's >>>>>> why I'm there. But, if that privilege is abused, then I'll >>>>>> unsubscribe >>>>>> again. That's not being arrogant or a threat, but keeping up on the >>>>>> list >>>> >>>>>> does take time out of my day. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As far as Monty, I really don't want to air my own personal business >>>>>> of >>>>>> what 2004 was like, but I'll bet money that you'd be hard pressed to >>>>>> find >>>> >>>>>> any of my customer's who have had as much on their plate while trying >>>>>> to >>>>>> maintain a regular job and still work on these games for you guys. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I know what the facts are-they're in black and white in the posts. >>>>>> If >>>>>> anyone's in doubt, they can back track through the thread and then >>>>>> they >>>>>> will, too. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm sure there are probably a lot of people who would care less if I >>>>>> didn't keep working on the games and disappeared, but there are also >>>>>> a >>>> lot >>>>>> who depend on it on a few different levels. And, I do have a track >>>> record >>>>>> and if delays can't be taken into consideration based on not only the >>>>>> games I have written and released, not to mention inspiring others to >>>>>> follow suit, then I really don't know what to tell them. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I re-subscribed to be more available to the community. If you really >>>> need >>>>>> to get into a pissing match with me for whatever animosity you still >>>>>> seem >>>> >>>>>> to have from whatever a few years ago, then just say so or if I'm put >>>> back >>>>>> on moderated status, say so. And, I'll unsubscribe. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It really, truly, and honestly makes no difference to me. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> James >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> At this point, I refused to responp further, both on and off the >>>>>> list, >>>>>> as >>>> >>>>>> the next post shows. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: brenda green >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: audyssey: Montezuma's Revenge Orders >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> James, I have a question for you. This question does not apply to me >>>> since >>>>>> I have not pre-ordered Raceway and you refuse to sell me Monty. >>>>>> Somebody >>>>>> asked me and I'm referring the question to you since you now have the >>>>>> rights to both games. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Before I ask the question though, perhaps you can clarify one point >>>>>> please. During the year or so when AdoraEntertainment owned Raceway >>>>>> they >>>>>> refused to take pre-orders. All pre-orders were placed with you, it >>>>>> this >>>>>> true or false? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm asking you this question on the list because I don't have the >>>>>> answer >>>>>> and others on the list may be interested in the answer as well as the >>>>>> person that asked me. If a person has pre-ordered Raceway from you >>>>>> and >>>>>> they'd like to get Monty, can they change their order since the same >>>>>> company owns both games? If there's a price difference, can they pay >>>>>> the >>>>>> difference and get Monty instead of Raceway? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Brenda Green >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi, Brenda. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> That's correct. All pre-orders for Raceway were placed with me >>>>>> except >>>>>> during the period that Adora owned the game for which they took no >>>>>> pre-orders. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Converting a Raceway order to a Monty order would be fine. If >>>>>> anyone's >>>>>> interested, e-mail >>>>>> >>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> - James >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I've removed headers, names and signatures from the following two >>>>>> messages. If the senders whis to make themselves known, they can do >>>>>> so >>>>>> themselves. >>>>>> >>>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: personal opinion >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It is well known that Brenda does not get along with James North. >>>>>> Open >>>>>> hostility has been shown by her posts to the list. Should someone >>>>>> who, >>>> on >>>>>> a fairly regular basis, does not follow the list guidelines by >>>>>> showing >>>>>> such open hostility, be a moderator? In my opinion, no. At least, >>>>>> her >>>>>> own messages should be moderated by the list owner. If she cannot at >>>>>> least follow the guidelines, she should be replaced as a moderator. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To: "brenda green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: Montezuma's Revenge Orders >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Brenda, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm just writing you off list to say that I think that it is a good >>>>>> thing >>>> >>>>>> that you bring up Mr North's pre-order record whenever he makes known >>>> that >>>>>> he is looking for them. I think of your messages as a public service >>>>>> message to new comers and I'm glad that you do them as it seems that >>>>>> one >>>>>> can not post any sort of negative message about Mr North, his games >>>>>> or >>>> his >>>>>> previous pre-order record to the list without occurring the wrath of >>>>>> a >>>>>> moderator, others and Mr North himself no matter how non flaming and >>>>>> factual the message may be. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Several of you may be interested in this bit of news. 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