He has that right. It's his company. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Rivard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 7:17 PM Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming?
> He wasn't being rude to them. He was being honest. He was saying that, > based on their attitude toward him, he would not be selling them his > games. > Pure and simple. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 5:12 PM > Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? > > >> James >> you are not exactly fair to the people on this this list either. You are >> constantly sending them rude messages about how you will not sell them >> your >> game, >> unfortunately for you I really don't think most of them were going to buy >> your games anyway. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "James from Alchemy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:39 PM >> Subject: RE: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >> >> >>> >>> Hi, Thomas. >>> >>> You're right; Brenda is not neutral on Alchemy topics or James North >>> topics. >>> But, you'd be hard-pressed to see her step down as moderator. When >>> Adrian >>> gave up ownership of the list, it was handed over to Brenda and Kevin. >>> No >>> disrespect to Kevin because I think he does a better job at it, but it's >>> evident that Brenda wears the pants when it comes to this gig (and, was >>> so >>> when David Lant was co-moderator as well). I think it was a bad >>> decision >>> to >>> pass ownership on the way it was, but that's in the past. Brenda makes >>> it >>> very clear in her posts--even if under her breath--who she doesn't like >>> with >>> an acerbic tone and disposition and, in this case, picked the >>> confrontation >>> as I was only joking regarding the $15. I'm surprised these messages >>> are >>> even making it through as, in the past, she's blocked any discontent >>> with >>> her from reaching the list. Remember Animal Farm? Well, then there ya >>> go! >>> *grin* >>> >>> - James >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Thomas Ward >>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:25 PM >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >>> >>> Hi, charles. >>> Agreed. Given Brenda's last stunt I think we should replace her with a >>> new mod. One more fair, and will not flame, will not release personal >>> information, and one willing to be neutral on topics like this. >>> It is clear from the tone of Brenda's prier posts that that she is not >>> completely neutral on the Alchemy topics. >>> >>> >>> Charles Rivard wrote: >>>> Your bashing of James North on the list, which has been pointed out >>> several >>>> times in the past, was out of line, especially for a list >>>> owner/moderator. >>> >>>> If you cannot see it, you're not looking. As far as the 2 off list >>> Emails, >>>> I don't think you should have posted the second one while seemingly >>>> protecting the sender's identity. If anyone reads it, they will know >>>> who >>>> the sender was, won't they? That appeared to be sneaky and rather >>>> underhanded, in my opinion. And I do not mind letting people know that >>>> I >>>> sent the first off list posting to the owner/moderator Email address. >>>> I >>> do >>>> think that if a moderator does not follow the guidelines, that >>>> moderator >>>> should either step down or be put down, and replaced. >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "brenda green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:41 AM >>>> Subject: audyssey: Where is the flaming? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Something to think about, no responses needed. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> First I would like to apologize to Kevin who has taken the brunt of >>>>> this >>>>> thread since I've been working. Yes, I do have a life away from this >>>>> list >>> >>>>> . I do have a job and a family. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Am I to take it as an owner/moderator of this list I'm not entitled to >>>>> an >>> >>>>> opinion? I really don't know how this thread went from clarification >>>>> of >>>>> whether "orders" or "pre-orders" were being taken for Monty to where >>>>> it >>>>> ended up. I stated that I'd wait until the game was released and >>>>> stated >>>>> the fact for my decision. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The following are messages between James North and myself, some of >>>>> which >>>>> were sent privately. I'd just like to know where the flaming is. I >>>>> have >>>>> never, on or off the list, reverted to insults or namecalling. I do >>>>> state >>> >>>>> the fact, ask unwelcome questions, and occasionally give my opinion. >>>>> There's also a couple of messages from other list members who shall >>> remain >>>>> nameless unless they choose to admit to them. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's right James, who needs that extra $15. Given your record with >>>>> pre-ordering, I'm surprised you'd even offer it as a pre-order. >>>>> "raceway" >>> >>>>> was offered for pre-order in 2001 and is still not available to those >>>>> who >>> >>>>> paid good cash for it. Monty was "shipping" November 2003 and >>>>> recalled. >>>>> I >>> >>>>> don't know of anybody that actually got the game. Now, more than a >>>>> year >>>>> later, you're offering Monty for pre-order? I for one, will wait until >>>>> it >>> >>>>> is actually released to take a look at it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Oh, and that old adage.. if you have nothing nice to say.. I don't >>>>> recall >>> >>>>> anyone twisting YOUR arm. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's correct, Brenda. And, I also didn't possess "Raceway" for an >>>>> entire year. However, I essentially donated four years of my life >>>>> doing >>>>> the community a favor. If you don't want to pre-order, then simply >>> don't. >>>>> Your innuendos aren't necessary. In fact, let me do you a favor in >>>>> the >>>>> spirit of your natural disposition. I won't sell it to you, even >>>>> after >>>>> it's released--very soon, by the way--I'll, in your name, raise the >>>>> price >>> >>>>> to $49.95. So, if anyone wants to pre-order it, they'd better get >>>>> busy. >>>>> Ain't that right, Brenda? *smile* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: James North >>>>> >>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> >>>>> Cc: 'Jennifer North' >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: Post & Status >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Brenda, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Am I to assume that my response to your inflammatory post on the BG >>>>> List >>>>> will not be going through since only the last post of mine did? I >>>>> assume >>> >>>>> you made a quick maneuver after posting yours and then put me back on >>>>> moderated status as my posts have been coming through regularly very >>>>> quickly. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> James >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: brenda green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> To: James North >>>>> Cc: 'Jennifer North' >>>>> Subject: Re: Post & Status >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No James, I did not put you on moderated status. Furthermore, I do >>>>> not >>>>> intend on doing that. If you step over the line, you will be dealt >>>>> with >>>>> the same as any other member of the list. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> My post only stated facts and if you take it as flaming then perhaps >>>>> you >>>>> need to consider what was said. You and I both know those facts are >>>>> true. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Brenda Green >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: James North >>>>> >>>>> To: 'brenda green' >>>>> >>>>> Subject: RE: Post & Status >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Brenda, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What I know was you went from toning Will down and saying, "Let's see >>> what >>>>> happens.." and, basically, that I have a track record of coming >>>>> through-albeit, often at the last minute-and, then the snide remark >>>>> about >>> >>>>> pre-ordering and then again tonight. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I don't expect special treatment, so that's the last time you need to >>>>> imply that. Honestly, whether I'm on the list or not is >>>>> inconsequential. >>> >>>>> As soon as I post an update to my customer base, it's on the list, >>> anyway. >>>>> I have eight hundred other people to send updates to. The benefit of >>>>> me >>>>> being on the list is that people can ask me questions directly. >>>>> That's >>>>> why I'm there. But, if that privilege is abused, then I'll >>>>> unsubscribe >>>>> again. That's not being arrogant or a threat, but keeping up on the >>>>> list >>> >>>>> does take time out of my day. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As far as Monty, I really don't want to air my own personal business >>>>> of >>>>> what 2004 was like, but I'll bet money that you'd be hard pressed to >>>>> find >>> >>>>> any of my customer's who have had as much on their plate while trying >>>>> to >>>>> maintain a regular job and still work on these games for you guys. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I know what the facts are-they're in black and white in the posts. If >>>>> anyone's in doubt, they can back track through the thread and then >>>>> they >>>>> will, too. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm sure there are probably a lot of people who would care less if I >>>>> didn't keep working on the games and disappeared, but there are also a >>> lot >>>>> who depend on it on a few different levels. And, I do have a track >>> record >>>>> and if delays can't be taken into consideration based on not only the >>>>> games I have written and released, not to mention inspiring others to >>>>> follow suit, then I really don't know what to tell them. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I re-subscribed to be more available to the community. If you really >>> need >>>>> to get into a pissing match with me for whatever animosity you still >>>>> seem >>> >>>>> to have from whatever a few years ago, then just say so or if I'm put >>> back >>>>> on moderated status, say so. And, I'll unsubscribe. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It really, truly, and honestly makes no difference to me. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> James >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> At this point, I refused to responp further, both on and off the list, >>>>> as >>> >>>>> the next post shows. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: brenda green >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: audyssey: Montezuma's Revenge Orders >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> James, I have a question for you. This question does not apply to me >>> since >>>>> I have not pre-ordered Raceway and you refuse to sell me Monty. >>>>> Somebody >>>>> asked me and I'm referring the question to you since you now have the >>>>> rights to both games. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Before I ask the question though, perhaps you can clarify one point >>>>> please. During the year or so when AdoraEntertainment owned Raceway >>>>> they >>>>> refused to take pre-orders. All pre-orders were placed with you, it >>>>> this >>>>> true or false? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm asking you this question on the list because I don't have the >>>>> answer >>>>> and others on the list may be interested in the answer as well as the >>>>> person that asked me. If a person has pre-ordered Raceway from you and >>>>> they'd like to get Monty, can they change their order since the same >>>>> company owns both games? If there's a price difference, can they pay >>>>> the >>>>> difference and get Monty instead of Raceway? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Brenda Green >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi, Brenda. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That's correct. All pre-orders for Raceway were placed with me except >>>>> during the period that Adora owned the game for which they took no >>>>> pre-orders. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Converting a Raceway order to a Monty order would be fine. If >>>>> anyone's >>>>> interested, e-mail >>>>> >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> - James >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I've removed headers, names and signatures from the following two >>>>> messages. If the senders whis to make themselves known, they can do so >>>>> themselves. >>>>> >>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> >>>>> Subject: personal opinion >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It is well known that Brenda does not get along with James North. >>>>> Open >>>>> hostility has been shown by her posts to the list. Should someone >>>>> who, >>> on >>>>> a fairly regular basis, does not follow the list guidelines by showing >>>>> such open hostility, be a moderator? In my opinion, no. At least, >>>>> her >>>>> own messages should be moderated by the list owner. If she cannot at >>>>> least follow the guidelines, she should be replaced as a moderator. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To: "brenda green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: Montezuma's Revenge Orders >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Brenda, >>>>> >>>>> I'm just writing you off list to say that I think that it is a good >>>>> thing >>> >>>>> that you bring up Mr North's pre-order record whenever he makes known >>> that >>>>> he is looking for them. I think of your messages as a public service >>>>> message to new comers and I'm glad that you do them as it seems that >>>>> one >>>>> can not post any sort of negative message about Mr North, his games or >>> his >>>>> previous pre-order record to the list without occurring the wrath of a >>>>> moderator, others and Mr North himself no matter how non flaming and >>>>> factual the message may be. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Several of you may be interested in this bit of news. 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