he jumped before he could be pushed! *wave* Kevin - co-owner/moderator of the blind gamers discussion list contact me via email/msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yohandy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 1:19 AM Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming?
> Nah. You'll eventually be kicked out by a mod soon enough. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 7:35 PM > Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? > > > > Well since you want me to maybe I'll just stay to bug you. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "James from Alchemy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 4:16 PM > > Subject: RE: audyssey: Where is the flaming? > > > > > >> > >> Hi, Steve. > >> > >> Sorry, but you're wrong. Sales are great--but, thanks for asking! And, > >> if > >> you want to talk about being rude, look at most of your messages.. > >> including > >> the last one to Ivan. This is the BG List, not the Steve Abuse List. > >> Weren't you leaving? > >> > >> - James > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > >> Behalf Of Steve > >> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 4:13 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? > >> > >> James > >> you are not exactly fair to the people on this this list either. You are > >> constantly sending them rude messages about how you will not sell them > >> your > >> game, > >> unfortunately for you I really don't think most of them were going to buy > >> your games anyway. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "James from Alchemy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:39 PM > >> Subject: RE: audyssey: Where is the flaming? > >> > >> > >>> > >>> Hi, Thomas. > >>> > >>> You're right; Brenda is not neutral on Alchemy topics or James North > >>> topics. > >>> But, you'd be hard-pressed to see her step down as moderator. When > >>> Adrian > >>> gave up ownership of the list, it was handed over to Brenda and Kevin. > >>> No > >>> disrespect to Kevin because I think he does a better job at it, but it's > >>> evident that Brenda wears the pants when it comes to this gig (and, was > >>> so > >>> when David Lant was co-moderator as well). I think it was a bad > >>> decision > >>> to > >>> pass ownership on the way it was, but that's in the past. Brenda makes > >>> it > >>> very clear in her posts--even if under her breath--who she doesn't like > >>> with > >>> an acerbic tone and disposition and, in this case, picked the > >>> confrontation > >>> as I was only joking regarding the $15. I'm surprised these messages > >>> are > >>> even making it through as, in the past, she's blocked any discontent > >>> with > >>> her from reaching the list. Remember Animal Farm? Well, then there ya > >>> go! > >>> *grin* > >>> > >>> - James > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>> On > >>> Behalf Of Thomas Ward > >>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:25 PM > >>> To: [email protected] > >>> Subject: Re: audyssey: Where is the flaming? > >>> > >>> Hi, charles. > >>> Agreed. Given Brenda's last stunt I think we should replace her with a > >>> new mod. One more fair, and will not flame, will not release personal > >>> information, and one willing to be neutral on topics like this. > >>> It is clear from the tone of Brenda's prier posts that that she is not > >>> completely neutral on the Alchemy topics. > >>> > >>> > >>> Charles Rivard wrote: > >>>> Your bashing of James North on the list, which has been pointed out > >>> several > >>>> times in the past, was out of line, especially for a list > >>>> owner/moderator. > >>> > >>>> If you cannot see it, you're not looking. As far as the 2 off list > >>> Emails, > >>>> I don't think you should have posted the second one while seemingly > >>>> protecting the sender's identity. If anyone reads it, they will know > >>>> who > >>>> the sender was, won't they? That appeared to be sneaky and rather > >>>> underhanded, in my opinion. And I do not mind letting people know that > >>>> I > >>>> sent the first off list posting to the owner/moderator Email address. > >>>> I > >>> do > >>>> think that if a moderator does not follow the guidelines, that > >>>> moderator > >>>> should either step down or be put down, and replaced. > >>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>> From: "brenda green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> To: <[email protected]> > >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 12:41 AM > >>>> Subject: audyssey: Where is the flaming? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Something to think about, no responses needed. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> First I would like to apologize to Kevin who has taken the brunt of > >>>>> this > >>>>> thread since I've been working. Yes, I do have a life away from this > >>>>> list > >>> > >>>>> . I do have a job and a family. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Am I to take it as an owner/moderator of this list I'm not entitled to > >>>>> an > >>> > >>>>> opinion? I really don't know how this thread went from clarification > >>>>> of > >>>>> whether "orders" or "pre-orders" were being taken for Monty to where > >>>>> it > >>>>> ended up. I stated that I'd wait until the game was released and > >>>>> stated > >>>>> the fact for my decision. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> The following are messages between James North and myself, some of > >>>>> which > >>>>> were sent privately. I'd just like to know where the flaming is. I > >>>>> have > >>>>> never, on or off the list, reverted to insults or namecalling. I do > >>>>> state > >>> > >>>>> the fact, ask unwelcome questions, and occasionally give my opinion. > >>>>> There's also a couple of messages from other list members who shall > >>> remain > >>>>> nameless unless they choose to admit to them. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> That's right James, who needs that extra $15. Given your record with > >>>>> pre-ordering, I'm surprised you'd even offer it as a pre-order. > >>>>> "raceway" > >>> > >>>>> was offered for pre-order in 2001 and is still not available to those > >>>>> who > >>> > >>>>> paid good cash for it. Monty was "shipping" November 2003 and > >>>>> recalled. > >>>>> I > >>> > >>>>> don't know of anybody that actually got the game. Now, more than a > >>>>> year > >>>>> later, you're offering Monty for pre-order? I for one, will wait until > >>>>> it > >>> > >>>>> is actually released to take a look at it. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Oh, and that old adage.. if you have nothing nice to say.. I don't > >>>>> recall > >>> > >>>>> anyone twisting YOUR arm. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> That's correct, Brenda. And, I also didn't possess "Raceway" for an > >>>>> entire year. However, I essentially donated four years of my life > >>>>> doing > >>>>> the community a favor. If you don't want to pre-order, then simply > >>> don't. > >>>>> Your innuendos aren't necessary. In fact, let me do you a favor in > >>>>> the > >>>>> spirit of your natural disposition. I won't sell it to you, even > >>>>> after > >>>>> it's released--very soon, by the way--I'll, in your name, raise the > >>>>> price > >>> > >>>>> to $49.95. So, if anyone wants to pre-order it, they'd better get > >>>>> busy. > >>>>> Ain't that right, Brenda? *smile* > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> From: James North > >>>>> > >>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> > >>>>> Cc: 'Jennifer North' > >>>>> > >>>>> Subject: Re: Post & Status > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Brenda, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Am I to assume that my response to your inflammatory post on the BG > >>>>> List > >>>>> will not be going through since only the last post of mine did? I > >>>>> assume > >>> > >>>>> you made a quick maneuver after posting yours and then put me back on > >>>>> moderated status as my posts have been coming through regularly very > >>>>> quickly. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> James > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> From: brenda green [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> To: James North > >>>>> Cc: 'Jennifer North' > >>>>> Subject: Re: Post & Status > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> No James, I did not put you on moderated status. Furthermore, I do > >>>>> not > >>>>> intend on doing that. If you step over the line, you will be dealt > >>>>> with > >>>>> the same as any other member of the list. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> My post only stated facts and if you take it as flaming then perhaps > >>>>> you > >>>>> need to consider what was said. You and I both know those facts are > >>>>> true. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Brenda Green > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > >>> ---- > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> From: James North > >>>>> > >>>>> To: 'brenda green' > >>>>> > >>>>> Subject: RE: Post & Status > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Brenda, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> What I know was you went from toning Will down and saying, "Let's see > >>> what > >>>>> happens.." and, basically, that I have a track record of coming > >>>>> through-albeit, often at the last minute-and, then the snide remark > >>>>> about > >>> > >>>>> pre-ordering and then again tonight. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I don't expect special treatment, so that's the last time you need to > >>>>> imply that. Honestly, whether I'm on the list or not is > >>>>> inconsequential. > >>> > >>>>> As soon as I post an update to my customer base, it's on the list, > >>> anyway. > >>>>> I have eight hundred other people to send updates to. The benefit of > >>>>> me > >>>>> being on the list is that people can ask me questions directly. > >>>>> That's > >>>>> why I'm there. But, if that privilege is abused, then I'll > >>>>> unsubscribe > >>>>> again. That's not being arrogant or a threat, but keeping up on the > >>>>> list > >>> > >>>>> does take time out of my day. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> As far as Monty, I really don't want to air my own personal business > >>>>> of > >>>>> what 2004 was like, but I'll bet money that you'd be hard pressed to > >>>>> find > >>> > >>>>> any of my customer's who have had as much on their plate while trying > >>>>> to > >>>>> maintain a regular job and still work on these games for you guys. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I know what the facts are-they're in black and white in the posts. If > >>>>> anyone's in doubt, they can back track through the thread and then > >>>>> they > >>>>> will, too. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm sure there are probably a lot of people who would care less if I > >>>>> didn't keep working on the games and disappeared, but there are also a > >>> lot > >>>>> who depend on it on a few different levels. And, I do have a track > >>> record > >>>>> and if delays can't be taken into consideration based on not only the > >>>>> games I have written and released, not to mention inspiring others to > >>>>> follow suit, then I really don't know what to tell them. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I re-subscribed to be more available to the community. If you really > >>> need > >>>>> to get into a pissing match with me for whatever animosity you still > >>>>> seem > >>> > >>>>> to have from whatever a few years ago, then just say so or if I'm put > >>> back > >>>>> on moderated status, say so. And, I'll unsubscribe. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> It really, truly, and honestly makes no difference to me. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> James > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> At this point, I refused to responp further, both on and off the list, > >>>>> as > >>> > >>>>> the next post shows. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> From: brenda green > >>>>> > >>>>> Subject: Re: audyssey: Montezuma's Revenge Orders > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> James, I have a question for you. This question does not apply to me > >>> since > >>>>> I have not pre-ordered Raceway and you refuse to sell me Monty. > >>>>> Somebody > >>>>> asked me and I'm referring the question to you since you now have the > >>>>> rights to both games. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Before I ask the question though, perhaps you can clarify one point > >>>>> please. During the year or so when AdoraEntertainment owned Raceway > >>>>> they > >>>>> refused to take pre-orders. All pre-orders were placed with you, it > >>>>> this > >>>>> true or false? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm asking you this question on the list because I don't have the > >>>>> answer > >>>>> and others on the list may be interested in the answer as well as the > >>>>> person that asked me. If a person has pre-ordered Raceway from you and > >>>>> they'd like to get Monty, can they change their order since the same > >>>>> company owns both games? If there's a price difference, can they pay > >>>>> the > >>>>> difference and get Monty instead of Raceway? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Brenda Green > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi, Brenda. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> That's correct. All pre-orders for Raceway were placed with me except > >>>>> during the period that Adora owned the game for which they took no > >>>>> pre-orders. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Converting a Raceway order to a Monty order would be fine. If > >>>>> anyone's > >>>>> interested, e-mail > >>>>> > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> - James > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I've removed headers, names and signatures from the following two > >>>>> messages. If the senders whis to make themselves known, they can do so > >>>>> themselves. > >>>>> > >>>>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>>> > >>>>> Subject: personal opinion > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> It is well known that Brenda does not get along with James North. > >>>>> Open > >>>>> hostility has been shown by her posts to the list. Should someone > >>>>> who, > >>> on > >>>>> a fairly regular basis, does not follow the list guidelines by showing > >>>>> such open hostility, be a moderator? In my opinion, no. At least, > >>>>> her > >>>>> own messages should be moderated by the list owner. If she cannot at > >>>>> least follow the guidelines, she should be replaced as a moderator. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> To: "brenda green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>> > >>>>> Subject: Re: Montezuma's Revenge Orders > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Brenda, > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm just writing you off list to say that I think that it is a good > >>>>> thing > >>> > >>>>> that you bring up Mr North's pre-order record whenever he makes known > >>> that > >>>>> he is looking for them. I think of your messages as a public service > >>>>> message to new comers and I'm glad that you do them as it seems that > >>>>> one > >>>>> can not post any sort of negative message about Mr North, his games or > >>> his > >>>>> previous pre-order record to the list without occurring the wrath of a > >>>>> moderator, others and Mr North himself no matter how non flaming and > >>>>> factual the message may be. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Several of you may be interested in this bit of news. I have, for some > >>>>> time, been seriously considering leaving the list both as an > >>>>> owner/moderator and a member. The last couple of days does not > >>>>> influence > >>>>> my decision. It will probably happen some time during late 2006. 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