The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 698 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: Jeremy Clarkson on the new M5 Re: My friend's amusing comments about new BMWs and the E39 M5 (part 2 of 2) Re: My friend's amusing comments about new BMWs and the E39 M5 (part 2 of 2) Alpina B5 Oops Re: <E36> Euro AFM Re: <E36> Euro AFM Re: Jeremy Clarkson on the new M5 Re: 1991 318i M42 engine topend query / favorite site search Re: 1991 318i M42 engine topend query / favorite site search Re: 1991 318i M42 engine topend query / favorite site search Re: Alpina B5 Re: Alpina B5 Alpina B5 <e30> speaking of torque Re: <e30> speaking of torque
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:49:33 -0400 From: "Rosario DeCicco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Jeremy Clarkson on the new M5 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Send pictures please Rosario -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rex Tener Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 4:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: BMW UUC List; Rex Tener Subject: Re: [UUC] Jeremy Clarkson on the new M5 Evan, We will see if this goes through, though I may still be on the BMW UUC black list .... From Bimmer.org, '97 M3 Sedan, 5 speed, no sunroof: <http://www.roadfly.com/bmw/classifieds/cars/detview.php?view=32004> Rex At 07:12 PM 6/16/2005 +0000, Evan A wrote: >While it is an entertaining read, Clarkson's analogy to New Coke has one >big flaw: when Coke changed their formula they lost sales. BMW has gained >sales (total sales, including Mini & SAVs) since they changed theirs. > >Evan (_still_ no BMW to my name, but keeping my eyes open for a 5-spd E36 >M3 sedan w/o sunroof) > > >original message: > >>Funny read: >>http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12529-1649122,00.html > >Yes. I'm no JC fan but the boy done good this time. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:27:47 -0400 From: "Tom Clark \(toclark\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: My friend's amusing comments about new BMWs and the E39 M5 (part 2 of 2) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dennis, Your slipping. It took me all of about 30 seconds to figure out the turn signal... Still, it only took me three to figure out the one on my dad's Pontiac when I learned how to drive... Tom -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Liu Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 5:34 PM To: BMW List Subject: [UUC] My friend's amusing comments about new BMWs and the E39 M5 (part 2 of 2) [CONTINUED] [Then, after he got the Clarkson review . . . .] [The Clarkson review of the M5 is] a riot. My test drive in the new 645i was very much the same without the boost to 500hp at the end. I spent fully 25% of that ride quizzing the dealer as to why, exactly, these f*ckin' Nazis found it necessary to "improve" a turn signal stalk to the point where there is little or no physical or audible indication that I have successfully turned it on and seemingly, no way to turn it off. That's just what I want -- to be traveling in the passing lane in a 645i with my left turn signal on, looking to all the world like an 85-year old dowager with rapidly progressing dementia who had inadvertently stepped into some drug dealer's car onstead of her own. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 20:11:39 -0500 From: Jamie Howton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Tom Clark (toclark)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: My friend's amusing comments about new BMWs and the E39 M5 (part 2 of 2) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You should tell your freind to take a look at m5board.com. It's a pretty adult crowd and there's more information than you could ever want about these cars. You can make them faster... -- Jamie Howton 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:48:49 -0700 From: Tom Kosmalski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Alpina B5 Oops Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Further web surfing seems to indicate that the unavailable (here) B5 is only available with a slushbox. Oops. It appears that my non-existent $100k toy car budget remains safe, for the time being. Tom K. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:34:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Brian Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E36> Euro AFM Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Brian Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I know about the 540 HFM, but is it the same exact > thing as the Euro HFM? Or does it just work the same > and is the same size? Works the same and same size. The ears for the clips would be incorrect but you only care about that if you're attaching it to a euro airbox which you're not. > Know of anywhere I can get these? ;) http://www.roadraceengineering.com/hoseandclamps.htm I don't know for sure if what they have works but looked like a good site so I saved it. As Ben mentioned the euro engine has a different intake and I haven't looked at it enough to tell you why it would be different but common sense tells me the U.S. engine with its pitiful single throttle body vs a smokin' 6 throttle body setup on the euro one is probably the start. :-) -Carlos. __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 19:59:16 -0700 From: JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Brian Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E36> Euro AFM Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The euro airbox has a larger outlet hole to match the inlet diameter of the euro hfm where they mate up, and iirc also has an inlet hole on the bottom to get air from the brake duct too. Maximillian Importing can get these w/out the extra markup the performance places charge. He priced a new euro airbox at ~$150. last year. With the sinking dollar, that's probably gone up now. Barry Carlos Lopez wrote: >--- Brian Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>I know about the 540 HFM, but is it the same exact >>thing as the Euro HFM? Or does it just work the same >>and is the same size? >> >> >Works the same and same size. The ears for the clips would be >incorrect but you only care about that if you're attaching it to a euro >airbox which you're not. > >Know of anywhere I can get these? >;)http://www.roadraceengineering.com/hoseandclamps.htm >I don't know for sure if what they have works but looked like a good >site so I saved it. >As Ben mentioned the euro engine has a different intake and I haven't >looked at it enough to tell you why it would be different but common >sense tells me the U.S. engine with its pitiful single throttle body vs >a smokin' 6 throttle body setup on the euro one is probably the start. >:-)-Carlos. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 23:03:00 -0400 From: Phil Marx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Jeremy Clarkson on the new M5 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> How 'bout a fair comparison: New Seven sales versus old Seven (E38) at the same period in the models life-span in U.S. sales. Old Coke wins again. Flooding the supermarket shelves with many new products always produces a bubble. The core product is often the one that suffers. Look at BMW wagon sales in the U.S. since the X-trucks came out! -Phil >Evan A wrote: >While it is an entertaining read, Clarkson's analogy to New Coke has one big >flaw: when Coke changed their formula they lost sales. BMW has gained sales >(total sales, including Mini & SAVs) since they changed theirs. > >Evan (_still_ no BMW to my name, but keeping my eyes open for a 5-spd E36 M3 >sedan w/o sunroof) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 22:57:28 -0700 From: Mark Gold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: 1991 318i M42 engine topend query / favorite site search Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Tom, Not sure what to tell you about the problems with your motor. I have a '91 318ic and have not had any problems as serious as yours. However, if you are looking for the most complete site that covers the 318is check out Brendan Purcell's website at http://www.esatclear.ie/~bpurcell/index.html. Good luck! On Jun 16, 2005, at 8:41 AM, T WALROD wrote: > Bought a '91 318 for the paintjob - it had a horrible rattle from idle > to > 2000 RPM. Some pre-purchase research led me to believe that a bad > chain > tensioner was most likely the problem. Car ran great and quiet above > 2000 > RPM. Replaced tensioner with the updated unit, installed compressed, > tried > to start the car, got a clatter and have not had the car start since. > Pulled the plugs and try to roll the engine over and am meeting > resistance. > Not a good thing. Suspect the timing chain has jumped teeth. I want > to set > the pistons to the proper firing position and feed compressed air > through > the sparkplug holes to see where the air leaks out - exiting the > exhaust or > intake will argue for bent exhaust or intake valves. 'Druther do as > much > diagnosis as possible without splitting the engine. Would like to > know how > many bent valves there are so I can decide on repair or engine > replacement. > > So. I'm looking for favorite sites with pictures and arrows and > descriptions. About the '91 M42 engine Mr. First. Not pron. The > flats at > the rear of the two cams are not in the same plane - I want to get > them and > the TDC mark to agree. Hell, I want a picture of the TDC mark! My > understanding is that the Bentley is not wildly helpful - '91 M42 being > kinda a one year car. > > Anyone with a line on a used engine that is worth installing is > heartily > urged to contact me. Or a munched '91 318 4-door w/ good engine and > interior? The car could do with some revised seating as the fabric is > pretty well ventilated. Big subwoofer though... > > Thanks, Tom in Oregon > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > ___ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW > CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > Sincerely, Mark Gold Sacramento Chapter BMWCCA 916-852-6533 (home) 916-743-7153 (cell) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 07:26:54 -0500 From: Jenny Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Uucdigest Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: 1991 318i M42 engine topend query / favorite site search Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The timing chain on the 318 M42 is an ungodly LONG chain. It is prone to stretching. The tensioner is prone to failure. And showing up on higher mileage engines (150,000+) is gear tooth wear. To keep your M42 from having that most brief but fatal conversation with the piston tops, you must replace all of it. It sounds like our friend Tom has lost this battle. To is correct, the rear round faces of the cams should be in the same plane. Anything less indicates trouble. The correct position is for the arrows on the front gears, should both be pointing straight up (relative to the crankshaft, not relative to the engine placement in the car which is on an angle. Additionally, the Crank needs to be TDC... There is a notch on the front crank timimg gear and an arrow tip cast into the oil filter housing, upper left side. When you replace just a tensioner, per instructions, you install it with it in the compressed position. BUT BEFORE you attempt to crank over the engine, you need to trip the compression detent which will allow the tensioner to release to its full, uncompressed position. If you do not do this, you may jump teeth. It is possible that our friend Tom has not bent his valves, but it is equally likely that by this time, he has. I agree with him in trying to re-align the cams and checking compression, but be prepared that this may all be a waste of time. That being said, I would do what Tom is doing. How many valves will be bent? A bunch. Rebuilding the head makes sense versus replacing the engine. But while it is out of the car, take the time to replace the timing chain, crank gear and the idler gear. You may want to consider replacing the tensioner rail at the least as well. Jenny Morgan On Jun 17, 2005, at 12:57 AM, Mark Gold wrote: > Tom, > > Not sure what to tell you about the problems with your motor. I have > a '91 318ic and have not had any problems as serious as yours. > However, if you are looking for the most complete site that covers the > 318is check out Brendan Purcell's website at > http://www.esatclear.ie/~bpurcell/index.html. Good luck! > > > On Jun 16, 2005, at 8:41 AM, T WALROD wrote: > >> Bought a '91 318 for the paintjob - it had a horrible rattle from >> idle to >> 2000 RPM. Some pre-purchase research led me to believe that a bad >> chain >> tensioner was most likely the problem. Car ran great and quiet above >> 2000 >> RPM. Replaced tensioner with the updated unit, installed compressed, >> tried >> to start the car, got a clatter and have not had the car start since. >> Pulled the plugs and try to roll the engine over and am meeting >> resistance. >> Not a good thing. Suspect the timing chain has jumped teeth. I want >> to set >> the pistons to the proper firing position and feed compressed air >> through >> the sparkplug holes to see where the air leaks out - exiting the >> exhaust or >> intake will argue for bent exhaust or intake valves. 'Druther do as >> much >> diagnosis as possible without splitting the engine. Would like to >> know how >> many bent valves there are so I can decide on repair or engine >> replacement. >> >> So. I'm looking for favorite sites with pictures and arrows and >> descriptions. About the '91 M42 engine Mr. First. Not pron. The >> flats at >> the rear of the two cams are not in the same plane - I want to get >> them and >> the TDC mark to agree. Hell, I want a picture of the TDC mark! My >> understanding is that the Bentley is not wildly helpful - '91 M42 >> being >> kinda a one year car. >> >> Anyone with a line on a used engine that is worth installing is >> heartily >> urged to contact me. Or a munched '91 318 4-door w/ good engine and >> interior? The car could do with some revised seating as the fabric is >> pretty well ventilated. Big subwoofer though... >> >> Thanks, Tom in Oregon >> Search the >> ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> ____ >> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW >> CCA. >> >> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >> Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >> 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com >> >> > Sincerely, > > Mark Gold > Sacramento Chapter BMWCCA > 916-852-6533 (home) > 916-743-7153 (cell) > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > ___ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW > CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 07:31:10 -0500 From: Jenny Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Jenny Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Uucdigest Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: 1991 318i M42 engine topend query / favorite site search Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I apologize for my sticky keyboard... This should read... TOM is correct, the rear GROUND faces... On Jun 17, 2005, at 7:26 AM, Jenny Morgan wrote: > To is correct, the rear round faces of the cams should be in the same > plane. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 07:46:15 +0100 From: nick brearley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Alpina B5 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 12:57 16/06/05 -0700, Tom Kosmalski wrote: >To me, a self-confessed torque lover, it seems like a better version of >the new M5. Available with a regular row-your-own tranny, and in a wagon >(oops, touring) version no less! Tom, It may be a bit of a heresy asking you to look over the fence but if torque's your thing see http://uucurl.com/x.php?p=1064 Bear in mind that the quoted mpg figures are imperial. Back in the 90s BMW developed a similar displacement engine which looked very promising. Seems to have sunk without trace now. Would have made a great Range Rover engine, among other applications. Nick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 09:34:48 -0400 From: Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Alpina B5 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Jun 17, 2005, at 2:46 AM, nick brearley wrote: > > It may be a bit of a heresy asking you to look over the fence but if > torque's your thing see > > http://uucurl.com/x.php?p=1064 > This quote amused me: "Use all the twin-turbo engine's performance, and 0-60mph takes only 5.9 seconds, with a top speed limited to 155mph. Amazingly, despite the supercar pace..." How does Audi's typically unimpressive acceleration numbers (not including such cars as the S4) garner comparison to "supercar" numbers? With 321hp and 650nm of torque, how come this thing has to be at full throttle just to keep an E90 330i in sight? - Rob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 10:09:35 -0700 From: Tom Kosmalski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Alpina B5 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Nick Brearly wrote: > It may be a bit of a heresy asking you to look over the fence but if > torque's your thing see...(the Audi diesel A8) Now that's torque. But---No wagon version, no stick shift, and a really big car. Not shopping anyway, just kinda wish the little 2.5 in my 325iT had a bit more low-end twist. I'm looking at a 5 to 8-year window before the next toy car anyway, so maybe that will be plenty of time for more interesting diesel choices here in the States. Tom K. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 11:39:39 -0700 From: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: <e30> speaking of torque Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Has anyone ever bought one of those adjustable cam pulleys for an m20 engine and experimented with increasing torque at the expense of top end power? ...sorry, I know nobody cares about the poor ol' m20 anymore. -- "It is an honor to be Cookie Monster." -Sesame Street spokeswoman Audrey Shapiro ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:49:41 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "John Bolhuis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <e30> speaking of torque Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Only small changes can be made due to its having a single cam. Overlap cannot be adjusted. I don't think its worth the effort for normal driving. Put that money towards an M50 conversion <grin>. Gary Derian > Has anyone ever bought one of those adjustable cam pulleys for an m20 > engine and experimented with increasing torque at the expense of top end > power? > > ...sorry, I know nobody cares about the poor ol' m20 anymore. > > -- > "It is an honor to be Cookie Monster." > -Sesame Street spokeswoman Audrey Shapiro > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
