The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 704 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: <e30> speaking of torque Re: Black Box & Politics Re: Black Box & Politics Re: Black Box & Politics Re: USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test Re: USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test Re: <E90> Interesting info Re: Black Box Re: Black Box Re: car's black box admissible in court Re: blackbox data Re: <e30> speaking of torque Re: <e30> speaking of torque Re: <e30> speaking of torque Black Box and such
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 03:40:31 -0500 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "Ben Keyes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <e30> speaking of torque Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> 3. V8 conversions should not be dismissed. The guys at Edge >> Motorworks in Dublin (CA) have put a V8 from a 540i into their E36. >> There is no reason to believe that a similar conversion couldn't be >> done in the E30 chassis. > > sure, but it's not a bookshelf solution, nor is there a clear path for > how to handle the oil pan/subframe interface. Actually, the V8 oil pan is one of the few things that WILL work in an E30. The M60/E36 conversion is the oil pan nightmare. Jon ______________________________________________ Jon Siccardi - DM #052 TreehouseRacing.com M50conversion.com 615.333.9118 ______________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben Keyes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [UUC] <e30> speaking of torque > Scott wrote: >> 1. The M50 is really not quite the "drop-in" that you suggest. >> Bolting the E30 bell housing to the M50 will leave the shift linkage >> doing strange things. Using the transmission from the M50 donor >> vehicle will fix the shift linkage oddities, but then you're running a >> 1:1 5th gear instead of the overdrive gear in the box that came in the >> E30. So you need to change the diff ratio to compensate. So you need >> a whole driveline, not just an engine. > > not true. many people have bolted the stock M20 trans up to their > M50's. there is a mod required to the trans mounts & the shift > linkage, but neither are at all challenging. > >> 2. Why bother with an M50 transplant when an S50 is just as much >> work, but gives you more power? Of course, you'll want suspension and >> brake upgrades to go with the engine. What was our budget again? > > you'll want brakes for any M50 conversion you do I'd think. figure an S50 > is another $1500 over an M50. or save the money up front & add the > S50 cams/HFM/etc to the M50 and make nearly the power the S50 does. > >> 3. V8 conversions should not be dismissed. The guys at Edge >> Motorworks in Dublin (CA) have put a V8 from a 540i into their E36. >> There is no reason to believe that a similar conversion couldn't be >> done in the E30 chassis. > > sure, but it's not a bookshelf solution, nor is there a clear path for > how to handle the oil pan/subframe interface. > >> 4. My biggest problem with these types of conversions is that, after >> dropping countless thousands of dollars into the car, the insurance >> company still insures it based on the VIN. > > nope. declared value w/a professional appraisal means you can > insure for your "investment" in the project. I've done it twice. of > course in Kalifornia you have to worry about making it CARB > legal. > > > > Ben > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 06:44:30 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Black Box & Politics Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hey Barry: Keep your political "rants" OFF The List!!!!!!! Helping you out Rob. I'm sure you merely missed this one. :-) John Weese Nittany Bimmers (Keeping my Politics "Personal" where it belongs!) <<In a message dated 6/20/2005 9:53:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now back to my techy geeky occupation that helps pay for the gas which has doubled in cost since Shrub took office, and then to bicycle home from work burning none of it. Argh, a good political rant like some of you hate and others of you wish some fool like me would dare venture to post. Barry>> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 05:50:44 -0500 From: Jenny Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Uucdigest Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Black Box & Politics Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Keeping politics "personal" is how idiots, religious zealots and despots claim power. You go, Barry. Jenny Morgan On Jun 21, 2005, at 5:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hey Barry: > > Keep your political "rants" OFF The List!!!!!!! Helping you out Rob. > I'm > sure you merely missed this one. :-) > > John Weese > Nittany Bimmers > (Keeping my Politics "Personal" where it belongs!) > > <<In a message dated 6/20/2005 9:53:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Now back to my techy geeky occupation that helps pay for the gas > which has > doubled in cost since Shrub took office, and then to bicycle home from > work > burning none of it. > Argh, a good political rant like some of you hate and others of you > wish some > fool like me would dare venture to post. > Barry>> > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 07:50:27 -0400 From: "Della Barba, Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Uucdigest Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Black Box & Politics Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Some history for you all: ALPA (pilot's union) STRONGLY opposed black boxes on aircraft. They didn't want a pilot's last words as entertainment on the 11:00 news. The FAA/NTSB promised that would NEVER happen. I think we see how well that worked out....... At least there is an erase button, but you have to be alive to use it. Joe Della Barba ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:43:44 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 6/21/05 3:41 AM, "David R. Low" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just because the equipment failure affected a majority of the teams does not > mean that rules should be bent or broken, or that the teams who are fielding > the correct equipment should be penalized. Which would be fine if it didn't completely lose sight of the entire point of this and every other sporting event: to entertain the paying customers. So let's take the FIA decision to it's logical conclusion: suppose all of the teams' tires had been unsafe? The FIA tells them to race or forfeit, they all withdraw for safety reasons and the FIA declares a perfect solution since the rules were slavishly followed. It's important to remember that rules need to serve a purpose. When that's no longer happening the rules need to be revisited. I'm no big fan of NASCAR racing, but this is one area where they absolutely have it nailed. They never lose sight of what they're out there to do: entertain the fans. And the fans reward NASCAR for that. This debacle would never, not in a million years, have been allowed to happen in NASCAR. Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:56:56 -0400 From: Ben Keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Neil wrote: > This debacle would > never, not in a million years, have been allowed to happen in NASCAR. but it did. someone called into "Wind Tunnel" on Speed on Sunday night and mentioned an event at Vegas in the 70's where the full slate of normal Winston Cup teams refused to race due to safety concerns, so Bill France grabbed the support race guys & put them on track in the alloted time to provide a show for the fans. regardless of what could have been done, the result in Indy was the only possible one given the FIA's need to stick to their rules (if they hadn't, there would have been 100% justified legal action on the part of the B teams) and that's that. had the M teams run at a reduced speed & fought for the 7th & 8th place points we would have had a bizarre sideshow within the race, but that wasn't going to happen given the potential for danger with the ~150kph closing speeds you'd have between the cars thru turn 12/13, plus I think the M teams are confident enough in their ability to bounce back against Ferrari that they won't be wishing they'd gotten those 3 points at the end of the season. but maybe not. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:19:09 -0500 From: Neil Maller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <E90> Interesting info Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 6/21/05 3:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I wonder why on this new motor the differences in thermal coefficient of > expansion between the Aluminum and Magnesium don't create problems at the > interface of the two metals. For the same reason that aluminum blocks with iron liners work OK? In fact Mg (25.2 ppm/deg C at 20C) and Al (23.8) aren't much different in coefficient of thermal expansion, and different alloys of each might be even closer (or further apart...). Fe however is only about 10.5 (again, subject to variation according to type). Neil Fort Wayne, IN 96 M3 - Bastard child 03 525iT - Sterling Grey Metallic 77 MGB - Original owner, need to sell 05 Mini - Cooper S with LSD! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:22:56 -0500 From: Jamie Howton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Norm Reini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Black Box Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Why do you think that your insurance _should_ cover you for a mishap at a DE? Did you tell them when they wrote the policy that you were going to be driving your car at high speeds on a racetrack for educational/recreational purposes with a bunch of other people of varying skill levels? Kudos to you if you did, but it's the rare insurance company that would write the policy knowing what you do with the car at a DE. I am a frequent DE participant too, but am under no misconceptions as to who is going to pay to repair my car if I wreck. Far too many people ignore a little thing called personal reponsibility and try to get someone else to pay when misfortune befalls them. Just my $.02, and no, I am not in the insurance business. Regards -- Jamie Howton 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:37:37 -0400 From: "Della Barba, Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Black Box Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Insurance is a contract, not what "feels right". Some are written to exclude this type of thing and some are not. Insurance companies don't get to decide after the fact they don't want to pay. Well - on second thought - they do that all the time but it's not legal :( Joe Della Barba -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jamie Howton Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:23 AM To: Norm Reini Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] Black Box Why do you think that your insurance _should_ cover you for a mishap at a DE? Did you tell them when they wrote the policy that you were going to be driving your car at high speeds on a racetrack for educational/recreational purposes with a bunch of other people of varying skill levels? Kudos to you if you did, but it's the rare insurance company that would write the policy knowing what you do with the car at a DE. I am a frequent DE participant too, but am under no misconceptions as to who is going to pay to repair my car if I wreck. Far too many people ignore a little thing called personal reponsibility and try to get someone else to pay when misfortune befalls them. Just my $.02, and no, I am not in the insurance business. Regards -- Jamie Howton 2000 M5 1995 M3 Hampshire, IL Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:03:04 -0400 From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: car's black box admissible in court Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Liu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] car's black box admissible in court > First, ditto Rob's praise of Gary's eloquence. > > Second, I must say that I am a little amused at all of this vociferous > backlash against black boxes from the denizens of the UUC list, without > anyone making the point that having a black box on board could very well > BENEFIT you, if the data prove that you were NOT speeding or at fault in an > accident. I guess I know how UUC members all drive (in other words, exactly > like *ME*). :-) That's a different thing altogether. I agree, a black box could certainly be used to get any of us out of a BS ticket. I've BTDT where the cop has lied just to get the ticket conviction. On the other hand, it could also hurt in the times when ye olde calipers worked to reduce a faster violation to a slower violation before the radar gun got a lock. Fundamentally, it's a privacy issue. Should I choose to use the data in a recorder in my own vehicle that I paid for, it's my right. Should I choose to keep it confidential, that's my right too. Key words for speed-readers: "privacy" and "rights", both more valuable than all the gold in Fort Knox. - Rob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:05:18 -0400 From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: blackbox data Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > E28 M5 (black box not intelligent enough to guarantee smooth idle, much less > show my innocence or guilt in court) By definition, I would say your M5 is a black box all by itself. ;-))) - Rob (Had my own "black box", and a red one, two white ones, and a blue one.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:14:19 -0700 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <e30> speaking of torque Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> they have? Ohhhh I want to see it. I wonder if the wife would notice if the M62 were missing out of her car.... Marco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Scott & Charlotte Miller Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 10:37 PM To: UUC Digest Cc: John Bolhuis Subject: Re: [UUC] <e30> speaking of torque 3. V8 conversions should not be dismissed. The guys at Edge Motorworks in Dublin (CA) have put a V8 from a 540i into their E36. There is no reason to believe that a similar conversion couldn't be done in the E30 chassis. Scott Miller GGC BMW CCA 1990 325i ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:36:29 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <e30> speaking of torque Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Better to fit a GM V-8. Late GTOs have a front sump. Easy 475 hp. Gary Derian > they have? Ohhhh I want to see it. I wonder if the wife would notice if > the M62 were missing out of her car.... > > Marco > > 3. V8 conversions should not be dismissed. The guys at Edge > Motorworks in Dublin (CA) have put a V8 from a 540i into their E36. > There is no reason to believe that a similar conversion couldn't be > done in the E30 chassis. > > Scott Miller > GGC BMW CCA > 1990 325i ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:41:03 -0700 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <e30> speaking of torque Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> yeah I know. Plus they're "cheap". Only thing is GM power puts you into a "non-class" in BMW CR. The LS6 in the Caddy would be sweet in the E36 ;-) Marco -----Original Message----- From: Gary Derian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 9:36 AM To: Marco Romani; [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] <e30> speaking of torque Better to fit a GM V-8. Late GTOs have a front sump. Easy 475 hp. Gary Derian > they have? Ohhhh I want to see it. I wonder if the wife would notice if > the M62 were missing out of her car.... > > Marco > > 3. V8 conversions should not be dismissed. The guys at Edge > Motorworks in Dublin (CA) have put a V8 from a 540i into their E36. > There is no reason to believe that a similar conversion couldn't be > done in the E30 chassis. > > Scott Miller > GGC BMW CCA > 1990 325i ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 12:30:16 -0400 From: "Ryan and Dee Dee Brenneman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Black Box and such Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAACiwpUJ+8TE6+uXA++J1O+8KAAAAQAAAAGHK5omU55ECvkB8co/[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gruppe I have been reading some of the posts on this and I have a couple of points. They allowed the data in from the stated illegal search because they would have requested it anyway based on the witness statements. Their obtaining witness statements in no way related to the information from the black box. I believe the term is inevitable discovery. I personally would not like people to be able to search me, my things, my car, whatever without a warrant. Frankly they can't but in lots of places they do search illegally on a regular basis anyway because the "suspect" either does not know their rights or surrenders them thinking they will get "helped out". If you are ignorant of your rights you get what you deserve. But beyond that there are some judges who will issue warrants without much or any probable cause and those creatures in black robes should be taken out and shot. If you have a "lenient" judge then no information, records, data, etc. is safe from the prying eyes of big government. Barry- The only reason that gas prices have risen so high so fast is because there has been no new refinery capacity added in the US in 30 years. We can buy all the oil in the world and it will just sit in tanks until the refineries get to it. Even outside the US the worldwide refining capacity has grown a miniscule amount compared to the demand from China and India. Why are we hearing about all of the auto makers opening plants in China? Because they are buying cars there! If they are buying more cars then they are buying more gas. And even China with its command economy has not kept up with their own refining capacity and is buying distillates on the world market. The rise in crude prices is mostly based on speculation. There are a lot more people just buying it because they think they can make money on it than actually need the crude to be delivered. This accounts for a lot of the price increase in crude. A second reason for the high gas prices with extremes seen in some areas is the EPA's insistence on boutique fuel blends. If you have too many days of smog, or high ozone, or whatever then you are forced to have some kind of blended gasoline for that particular area. Unfortunately there are hundreds of blends mandated by the EPA for areas across the US. In some cases places that are separated by only a few miles have different blends of gas. Why in the world can there not be one or two or even a half dozen blends and you get the one that fits your situation? Instead we are stuck with this wild selection of blends and what happens when the one refinery that makes your gas blend has an issue? Then your gas price in your local neighborhood skyrockets as there is only the already made supply on hand. It is suddenly much more valuable as basic economics states when supply goes down and demand stays the same then price goes up. Then you drive over to the next little burg and their gas is still the same and you wonder what is up and start screaming about bad oil companies and price gouging. But in reality your problem is Big Government. Does anybody ever wonder why any little problem at an oil refinery in the US is a lead story on the news? It is because that any little problem at a refinery means the gas supply will go down. Maybe temporarily but it will still send up prices at the pump for a couple of weeks until that refinery comes back on line. Until new refineries are built this low supply problem will only continue to get worse and worse. I heard the other day that one of the big oil companies was starting the process to get permits for a new refinery. Gee then I heard a day or two later the environmental lobby was stepping up their opposition to any new refineries in the US. A business takes the steps to alleviate the problem with gas supply, keep a few large construction companies in business for a couple of years, create a large number of good high paying jobs, create property that will pay millions in taxes to some lucky local government, create jobs for their equipment suppliers, and finally provide an extra return to the shareholders of the company as part of the reward for taking the risk to invest in the oil company, and who comes out of the woods(literally) to stand in the way? Why it's the wacko environmental lobby. Surprise! I am not against having clean air, clean water, and good food to eat. Hell I recycle to the point that my SO thinks I am nuts. But I draw the line at opposing things simply to oppose them. Plus how much better could we build a refinery now with today's technology as opposed to continuing to patch and use one that was built sometime around WWII? Anyway I know some of you don't like this kind of stuff but I had to get it off my chest. Plus if gas gets much more expensive it will make me curtail some of my track weekends. It is already a good sized chunk of the budget. 250-300 miles at full throttle eats a lot of 93 octane. Ryan Brenneman 92 325i JP (eventually) 93 525iT 254k and cruising ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
