The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 699 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: <e30> speaking of torque Re: <e30> speaking of torque Re: <e30> speaking of torque Re: <e30> speaking of torque Re: <e30> speaking of torque Re: <e30> speaking of torque Re: <e30> speaking of torque Re: Alpina B5 Re: Alpina B5 Re: Alpina B5 Re: Jeremy Clarkson on the new M5 How not to change '91 318 timing chain tensioner Still a problem with idle on M44 XM for E36? Re: XM for E36?
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:58:01 -0500 From: Clarence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: <e30> speaking of torque Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> John: I haven't but would be interested if you learn anything about this. I really like the engine and feel it's ignored. OTOH, it was in its prime before the craze of so many people spending ungodly amounts of money on every conceivable modification. Clarence West Bend, WI John Bolhuis wrote: > Has anyone ever bought one of those adjustable cam pulleys for an m20 > engine and experimented with increasing torque at the expense of top end > power? > > ...sorry, I know nobody cares about the poor ol' m20 anymore. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 18:56:54 +0000 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "John Bolhuis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [email protected] Subject: Re: <e30> speaking of torque Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Advancing the cam timing does increase the bottom, but the engine will ping easier. Better solution with those motors was to retard the cam 3 to 6 degrees, which then allows more spark advance down low. Barry > -----Original Message----- > From: John Bolhuis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 06:39 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [UUC] <e30> speaking of torque > > Has anyone ever bought one of those adjustable cam pulleys for an m20 > engine and experimented with increasing torque at the expense of top end > power? > > ...sorry, I know nobody cares about the poor ol' m20 anymore. > > -- > "It is an honor to be Cookie Monster." > -Sesame Street spokeswoman Audrey Shapiro ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:11:06 -0700 From: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <e30> speaking of torque Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Fri, Jun 17, 2005 at 06:56:54PM +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Advancing the cam timing does increase the bottom, but the engine will > ping easier. Better solution with those motors was to retard the cam > 3 to 6 degrees, which then allows more spark advance down low. Barry Yeah, it always boils down to something like that, doesn't it. A couple hundred here for the part, a few to several hundred or more for having a custom chip made to adjust spark as you mention... And in no time at all, you're left scratching your head wondering why you didn't just do the M50 drop-in upgrade. :) I really like the way the m20 motor sounds. It sings! It's a shame that there isn't much to be done in the way of cost-effective tinkering. How hard is it to convert to a chebby smallblock? /ducks the slings and arrows of the purist crowd -- "It is an honor to be Cookie Monster." -Sesame Street spokeswoman Audrey Shapiro ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 04:52:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [email protected] Subject: Re: <e30> speaking of torque Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How hard is it to convert to a chebby smallblock? > > /ducks the slings and arrows of the purist crowd Yeah I don't think there is such a thing as an M20 purist crowd. Now mention replacing the S14 on an E30 M3 with any sort of MXX or SXX engine and you will get poo flung your way. :-) Carlos. 88 325is x91 M3 x95 M3 maybe a 98 M3? :-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 08:19:16 -0700 (PDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Carlos Lopez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "John Bolhuis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [email protected] Subject: Re: <e30> speaking of torque Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I consider myself an M20 purist. Perhaps it is the only motor with consistence in longevity...at the cost of performance. It is what it was meant to be and nothing else. Ryan- --- John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> How hard is it to convert to a chebby smallblock? >> >> /ducks the slings and arrows of the purist crowd > > Yeah I don't think there is such a thing as an M20 purist crowd. > > Now mention replacing the S14 on an E30 M3 with any sort of MXX or SXX > engine and you will get poo flung your way. :-) > > Carlos. > 88 325is > x91 M3 > x95 M3 > maybe a 98 M3? :-) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 08:58:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <e30> speaking of torque Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> M30 driver begs to differ, and performs pretty well despite its 30-year-old architecture. Friend of mine bought a Passat 1.8T a couple years back, that turbo 4 makes 180 hp ... my quarter-million-mile (almost) straight-six makes (made) 182 and cost a whole lot less. :-) -tammer <--small wallet, old cars, big fun, gets out-dragged by Altimas though --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I consider myself an M20 purist. Perhaps it is the > only motor with > consistence in longevity...at the cost of performance. > It is what it > was meant to be and nothing else. > Ryan- > > > --- John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> How hard is it to convert to a chebby smallblock? > >> > >> /ducks the slings and arrows of the purist crowd > > > > Yeah I don't think there is such a thing as an M20 > purist crowd. > > > > Now mention replacing the S14 on an E30 M3 with any > sort of MXX or SXX > > engine and you will get poo flung your way. :-) > > > > Carlos. > > 88 325is > > x91 M3 > > x95 M3 > > maybe a 98 M3? :-) > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, > founder of the BMW CCA. > > > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home > of the Ultimate > > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder > of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of > the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 10:44:50 -0500 From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <e30> speaking of torque Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In fact, Replacing an S14 with a real motor is the first and most important thing to fix on an E30 M3. Fling away. Jon ______________________________________________ Jon Siccardi - DM #052 TreehouseRacing.com M50conversion.com 615.333.9118 ______________________________________________ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carlos Lopez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "John Bolhuis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2005 6:52 AM Subject: Re: [UUC] <e30> speaking of torque > --- John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> How hard is it to convert to a chebby smallblock? >> >> /ducks the slings and arrows of the purist crowd > > Yeah I don't think there is such a thing as an M20 purist crowd. > > Now mention replacing the S14 on an E30 M3 with any sort of MXX or SXX > engine and you will get poo flung your way. :-) > > Carlos. > 88 325is > x91 M3 > x95 M3 > maybe a 98 M3? :-) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:18:48 +0100 From: nick brearley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Alpina B5 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 09:34 17/06/05 -0400, Rob Levinson wrote: >How does Audi's typically unimpressive acceleration numbers (not including >such cars as the S4) garner comparison to "supercar" numbers? With 321hp >and 650nm of torque, how come this thing has to be at full throttle just >to keep an E90 330i in sight? Diesel's forte lies in intermediate acceleration rather than 0-60 times. I imagine that this brute would give 20mph increment times anywhere between 40 and 120mph that would leave the 330i looking a bit breathless... The weight might have something to do with the relatively slow acceleration, although weren't the first A8s aluminium bodied? Nick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 16:29:45 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]>, "nick brearley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Alpina B5 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Acceleration is a simple matter of power and weight, with rotational inertia figured as part of the weight. Torque does nothing by itself. It is the rate at which torque is applied that matters, in other words, power. Having said that, a good torque spread or power under the are important aspects of power. Narrow and overly peaky power isn't much good either, but a good transmission helps a lot there. Gary Derian > > Diesel's forte lies in intermediate acceleration rather than 0-60 times. I > imagine that this brute would give 20mph increment times anywhere between > 40 and 120mph that would leave the 330i looking a bit breathless... > > The weight might have something to do with the relatively slow > acceleration, although weren't the first A8s aluminium bodied? > > Nick > > > > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 22:05:55 +0100 From: nick brearley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Alpina B5 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 16:29 17/06/05 -0400, Gary Derian wrote: >Having said that, a good torque spread or power under the are important >aspects of power. Narrow and overly peaky power isn't much good either, >but a good transmission helps a lot there. Six speeds helps get the most out of that 1900rpm wide band, I imagine. Nick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 20:24:52 +0000 From: "Evan A" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Jeremy Clarkson on the new M5 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> If old 7 vs new 7 is your formula comparison, then you're right. I (and I believe Clarkson) was referring to sedans vs non-sedans. My point was that like it or not, BMW has been able to market their new formula (non-sedans) a bit better than Coke did. ---original message--- How 'bout a fair comparison: New Seven sales versus old Seven (E38) at the same period in the models life-span in U.S. sales. Old Coke wins again. Flooding the supermarket shelves with many new products always produces a bubble. The core product is often the one that suffers. Look at BMW wagon sales in the U.S. since the X-trucks came out! -Phil >Evan A wrote: >While it is an entertaining read, Clarkson's analogy to New Coke has one >big >flaw: when Coke changed their formula they lost sales. BMW has gained sales >(total sales, including Mini & SAVs) since they changed theirs. _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:21:32 -0700 From: "T WALROD" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "bmw digest" <[email protected]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: How not to change '91 318 timing chain tensioner Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Jenny, Thanks for confirming and instructing - without your permission I have forwarded your post to another 318 owner who is doing a tensioner today. Figure he can profit by it. A clarification please: thought I had read somewhere that the updated 11311743187 tensioner was opened by running the engine? Obviously not a good plan for a 175,000 mile motor! What would you think of somehow opening the tensioner submerged in a can of oil to pre oil it? I've had no length problem re-installing the uncompressed tensioner. Do less stretched chains make that a problem? Tom, with a superbly quiet 318. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 01:01:19 -0400 (GMT-04:00) From: Maverick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected] Subject: Still a problem with idle on M44 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My 96 318ti Sport 5-speed still does not seem to be idling/running right. I replaced the cam position sensor that was generating a CEl every other 5 minutes and that helped some, but it still seems off. It idles fairly evenly most of the time, but it will sometimes drop a bunch of rpm's when the AC kicks in, sometimes not. Sometimes the idle bobs about a bit without the AC too. Usually it runs at about 800 rev's by the tach. When the AC kicks it will sometimes drop to 400 for a moment. Usually when I have the clutch in or out of gear it will rev @ 1000 while rolling, and drops to 800 when at a full stop...something to reduce emissions I am told??? What gets me is that sometimes it seems to be idling nicely and as soon as I start letting the clutch in and giving some gas it just stalls. It is like it is spinning, but making no power. Sometimes I can quickly clutch it and save it, but it frequently stalls. I am wondering about the Idle Control Valve??? I need to hook up my AutoEnginuity ASAP, but I am unsure if it will tell me much about ICV. Is there some form of diagnostic method for it. Any ideas anybody??? Thanks, David in Richmond, VA ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 00:17:08 -0500 From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: XM for E36? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Just got back from a road trip and the rental I had from National was a Pontiac G6 with factory "Monsoon" XM radio. I'd heard XM radio was great but now I'm convinced and have decided it's a "must have" for my E36 (92 325i). My current system is a Blaupunkt New Orleans indash CD/FM receiver that I'm happy with and was wondering if anyone knows of a way of adapting it to XM or should I just abandon this head unit and find a new one with XM? I'd be open to using an adaptable unit I could remove and take in the house to receive XM on my home system too if there's one available. If I have to go with a new head unit, I would like to stay with something like the Blau that has the amber lights to match the dash and keep it looking "somewhat" stock. BTW I actually enjoyed driving the G6. It was the GT model with their version of tiptronic tranny and was actually quite responsive on the throttle but still doesn't quite compare to my E36. Not bad for a rental car though. TIA Phil 92 E36/M50 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 14:15:00 -0500 From: Dennis Wynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: XM for E36? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I was an early adopter of XM and I love it. Does your Blau have an aux input on it? If not then your are stuck with FM modulator input, which is not as bad as you think. The new XM SkyFi2 is what I use. It is plug and play, so with extra cradles I can move it from car to car to motorcycle to office to house and pay for one sub. There is a promo deal where you can get one for $59 or so with a car kit. The XM2GO MyFi is also nice and can be moved around. Spendy, but includes a home and car kits and memory (5 hours) so you can "record" your favorite channel and play it back when you can't get sat reception. I think Pioneer just released a similar XM on the go product. Having the XM integrated into the head unit is nice - but many/most have limited displays compared to dedicated tuners. And you can't take the XM with you when you are not in the car - without getting more tuners and more subs (which are only $6.95 per month each). With most XM tuner purchase they are now throwing in a free Roady tuner. Dennis 01 M5 silver/black (sold?) At 12:17 AM 6/18/2005 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Just got back from a road trip and the rental I had from National was a >Pontiac G6 with factory "Monsoon" XM radio. I'd heard XM radio was great >but now I'm convinced and have decided it's a "must have" for my E36 (92 >325i). My current system is a Blaupunkt New Orleans indash CD/FM receiver >that I'm happy with and was wondering if anyone knows of a way of adapting >it to XM or should I just abandon this head unit and find a new one with >XM? I'd be open to using an adaptable unit I could remove and take in the >house to receive XM on my home system too if there's one available. If I >have to go with a new head unit, I would like to stay with something like >the Blau that has the amber lights to match the dash and keep it looking >"somewhat" stock. > >BTW I actually enjoyed driving the G6. It was the GT model with their >version of tiptronic tranny and was actually quite responsive on the >throttle but still doesn't quite compare to my E36. Not bad for a rental >car though. > >TIA > >Phil >92 E36/M50 > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
