The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 714 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: Bad Chip? Re: <E46> Extended oil change interval? Re: <E46> Extended oil change interval? Re: <E46> Extended oil change interval? Re: <E46> Extended oil change interval? Re: <E46> Extended oil change interval? Re: <E46> Extended oil change interval? Re: Bad Chip? Re: Bad Chip? Re: <E46> Extended oil change interval? Re: <E30> Steering Rack Question Re: <E46> Extended oil change interval? Re: NASCAR "safety" WAS [USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test] Any comments on AT Italia Wheels? Re: <E46> Extended oil change interval?
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 19:53:00 -0700 From: donna seeley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Bad Chip? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It weighs less, as everyone except Ben knows. Stroking it to 2.7L removed exactly 53.788 lbs (24.499 kg). Therefore, the chevron seals are less stressed, and the incoming air is cooler. QED. Donna not weighin' nothin' On 6/26/05 7:43 PM, "Rich Dorffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What makes you believe the M20B27 is more reliable than the M20B25? > > Regards, > > Rich > >> -----Original Message----- >> >> My whole reason for getting the B27 over the B25 was the reliability of >> the ETA. I drive 70 miles a day (six days a week) to and from work, >> school, and back home. I have a year left and then I will probably >> upgrade to something else before grad. school. I am so amazed at how >> reliable this car is. Every morning I turn the key and it starts right >> up. It is a great improvement over my M10 E21 that I used to drive >> everyday (I had to rebuild it twice in six years due to oil pump issues >> and missing a gear with the dog leg tranny(when I was 16:))). I don't >> want to do anything to the the E30 that will compromise the integrity of >> its purpose. thanks Barry and Gary. > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Donna -- Technical Manager for hire http://www.dlseeley.com/resume ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:02:07 -0400 From: "Rich Dorffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Bob Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <E46> Extended oil change interval? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bob, Welcome to a topic that Brett and Mark D love to talk about, I will let them take it from here. Later, Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bob Moore > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 10:50 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [UUC] <E46> Extended oil change interval? > > > Looked at an E46 328i I was considering buying today...'99, 64K > miles...beautiful car...I was astounded after having looked under the > valve cover, through the oil filler hole. I couldn't believe the dark > brown, crusty residue all over everything I could see. This thing looked > like it had 164K neglected miles on it to me. Owner says he had the oil > changed at the dealer "about every 10K...though the recommended interval > is 15K". What's going on here? Is this typical of those cars that are > maintained according to BMWs recommendations? Wow. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:16:28 -0400 From: Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E46> Extended oil change interval? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> BMW makes money from selling new cars. New cars get purchased to replace old cars. Old cars need replacing more often with revised oil change intervals of 15K miles. 15K-mile oil change intervals advertised as "customer convenience". Instant accountant-approved marketing scheme. Brett, Mark, Rich, does that about sum it up? - Rob On Jun 26, 2005, at 11:02 PM, Rich Dorffer wrote: > Bob, > > Welcome to a topic that Brett and Mark D love to talk about, I will > let them > take it from here. > > Later, > > Rich > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bob Moore >> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 10:50 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [UUC] <E46> Extended oil change interval? >> >> >> Looked at an E46 328i I was considering buying today...'99, 64K >> miles...beautiful car...I was astounded after having looked under the >> valve cover, through the oil filler hole. I couldn't believe the dark >> brown, crusty residue all over everything I could see. This thing >> looked >> like it had 164K neglected miles on it to me. Owner says he had the >> oil >> changed at the dealer "about every 10K...though the recommended >> interval >> is 15K". What's going on here? Is this typical of those cars that are >> maintained according to BMWs recommendations? Wow. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:22:07 -0700 From: Mark Dadgar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E46> Extended oil change interval? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Jun 26, 2005, at 8:16 PM, Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks wrote: > Brett, Mark, Rich, does that about sum it up? > You bet. Allow me to illustrate (again): http://www.justracing.com/bmw/viewtopic.php?t=21 http://www.justracing.com/bmw/viewtopic.php?t=12 - Mark ----- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out my JustRacing Home Page at: http://www.justracing.com/homepage/mdadgar ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 23:51:21 -0400 From: "Rich Dorffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <E46> Extended oil change interval? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> All except for the part where us accountants get a bad rap... ;-) Later, Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Rob Levinson * UUC > Motorwerks > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 11:16 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [UUC] <E46> Extended oil change interval? > > > BMW makes money from selling new cars. New cars get purchased to > replace old cars. Old cars need replacing more often with revised oil > change intervals of 15K miles. 15K-mile oil change intervals > advertised as "customer convenience". Instant accountant-approved > marketing scheme. > > Brett, Mark, Rich, does that about sum it up? > > - Rob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 21:26:01 -0700 From: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E46> Extended oil change interval? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Sun, Jun 26, 2005 at 11:16:28PM -0400, Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks wrote: > BMW makes money from selling new cars. New cars get purchased to > replace old cars. Old cars need replacing more often with revised oil > change intervals of 15K miles. 15K-mile oil change intervals > advertised as "customer convenience". Instant accountant-approved > marketing scheme. It's a fine line they appear to be walking. In 10 years, can they afford to be known as a car make whose engines never last as long as the cars? That sort of reputation would help put resale value in the crapper. As I recall from local radio spots, that's one area where BMW seems to be proud, comparing their cars to financial investments! *snooort* Regarding the comment about the baffle in the oil fill hole of the M54 engine - I can see nothing in my M52 engine as well. I'm sure it can be explained that they didn't want oil to spray out if the cap is left off. Yeah, that's it. ..not running BMWNA oil in my car anyhow. -- "It is an honor to be Cookie Monster." -Sesame Street spokeswoman Audrey Shapiro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 03:51:30 -0400 From: Dave Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E46> Extended oil change interval? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> BMW also saves money, since they're paying for the first 4 years / 50K miles routine maintenance. Dave Meyer 99 M coupe, fresh Mobil 1 & filter every 5K miles Stafford VA >BMW makes money from selling new cars. >New cars get purchased to replace old cars. >Old cars need replacing more often with revised >oil change intervals of 15K miles. >15K-mile oil change intervals advertised as >"customer convenience". >Instant accountant-approved marketing scheme. >- Rob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 20:11:39 -0700 (PDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Bad Chip? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I guess it was the day I saw a B27 for sell in Roundel with almost 400,000 miles on it. I thought wow! I then saw a few more in the next few issues that were around 300,000 miles. That is really my only reasoning...and I know it is weak. My father was a Matco tool distributor for many years, and I had asked him to consult some BMW Mechanics he did business with before I bought the one I have now. Most of them agreed that it was probably more reliable due to the fact that it revs lower which means less friction. Also I wanted to make sure it had dual fuel pumps and the one I was looking at happened to be an 87. Honestly I don't really know other than what I have just said and I don't know if that information is really worth anything of value. I would rather have the B25, but this eta I have is so clean inside and out that I haven't had any real desire to change. Ryan- What makes you believe the M20B27 is more reliable than the M20B25? > > Regards, > > Rich > >> -----Original Message----- >> >> My whole reason for getting the B27 over the B25 was the reliability of >> the ETA. I drive 70 miles a day (six days a week) to and from work, >> school, and back home. I have a year left and then I will probably >> upgrade to something else before grad. school. I am so amazed at how >> reliable this car is. Every morning I turn the key and it starts right >> up. It is a great improvement over my M10 E21 that I used to drive >> everyday (I had to rebuild it twice in six years due to oil pump issues >> and missing a gear with the dog leg tranny(when I was 16:))). I don't >> want to do anything to the the E30 that will compromise the integrity of >> its purpose. thanks Barry and Gary. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:43:05 -0400 From: "Gary Derian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Bad Chip? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Engine wear is time dependent, not revolutions dependent. Using non-scientific analysis to form scientific conclusions is folly. Gary Derian >I guess it was the day I saw a B27 for sell in Roundel with almost 400,000 > miles on it. I thought wow! I then saw a few more in the next few issues > that were around 300,000 miles. That is really my only reasoning...and I > know it is weak. My father was a Matco tool distributor for many years, > and I had asked him to consult some BMW Mechanics he did business with > before I bought the one I have now. Most of them agreed that it was > probably more reliable due to the fact that it revs lower which means less > friction. Also I wanted to make sure it had dual fuel pumps and the one I > was looking at happened to be an 87. Honestly I don't really know other > than what I have just said and I don't know if that information is really > worth anything of value. I would rather have the B25, but this eta I have > is so clean inside and out that I haven't had any real desire to change. > Ryan- > > > What makes you believe the M20B27 is more reliable than the M20B25? >> >> Regards, >> >> Rich >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>> My whole reason for getting the B27 over the B25 was the reliability of >>> the ETA. I drive 70 miles a day (six days a week) to and from work, >>> school, and back home. I have a year left and then I will probably >>> upgrade to something else before grad. school. I am so amazed at how >>> reliable this car is. Every morning I turn the key and it starts right >>> up. It is a great improvement over my M10 E21 that I used to drive >>> everyday (I had to rebuild it twice in six years due to oil pump issues >>> and missing a gear with the dog leg tranny(when I was 16:))). I don't >>> want to do anything to the the E30 that will compromise the integrity of >>> its purpose. thanks Barry and Gary. >> > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 21:13:54 -0700 From: Kazuto Okayasu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E46> Extended oil change interval? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> At 07:50 PM 6/26/2005, Bob Moore wrote: Here's a recent thread: http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94785 There are some really scary pics in the link in post 188 of that thread. Perhaps BMW knows the effects. My 01's M54b25 has a plastic baffle just inside the oil fill hole. It hides everything inside. It's also been said in various places that BMWNA oil may be more prone to this. >Looked at an E46 328i I was considering buying today...'99, 64K >miles...beautiful car...I was astounded after having looked under >the valve cover, through the oil filler hole. I couldn't believe the >dark brown, crusty residue all over everything I could see. This >thing looked like it had 164K neglected miles on it to me. Owner >says he had the oil changed at the dealer "about every 10K...though >the recommended interval is 15K". What's going on here? Is this >typical of those cars that are maintained according to BMWs >recommendations? Wow. > >Bob >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Kazuto Okayasu Manager, Desktop Support Services (Interim) Administrative Computing Services, University of California, Irvine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 01:47:29 -0400 From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Cc: E30 Yahoo Group <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <E30> Steering Rack Question Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> No, the appearance is different, 1990 325i from the factory likely had an aluminum case rack with skeletal ribs around the casing or the cast iron rack. The M3 used a part tube, part casting rack gold anodized,. Yes the hoses go in exactly the same places and the two mounting bolts and steering shaft mount exactly the same. Ed Scott & Charlotte Miller wrote: >Is the 1990 E30 325i steering rack supposed to have an identical >appearance to the E30 M3 steering rack? Are the attached lines for >the fluid supposed to have the same configuration? > >I only ask because I bought an E30 M3 rack, but what showed up at my >door does not look like the one in the car. > >TIA, > >Scott Miller >GGC BMW CCA >1990 325i needs a rack > > > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 07:22:53 -0400 From: Vic Maslanka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <E46> Extended oil change interval? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ask for receipts. Never believe anything someone trying to sell you a used car tells you, unless you have a real reason to trust the person. As far as you know, the oil has never been changed. What is the seller going to tell you, that he changes the oil every three years (whether it needs it or not)? I have similar skepticism about some of the oil sludge posts on the internet. I'm not defending BMW extended change intervals, but I haven't seen evidence that the oil in those cars was changed on a regular basis, other than a friend of a friend of the owner told me so. And what kind of oil were they using? Wal-Mart Deluxe Non-Detergent Lawn Mower Oil? Vic Maslanka - Changes oil more often than the manufacturer recommends. At 10:50 PM 6/26/2005, Bob wrote: >Owner says he had the oil changed at the dealer "about every 10K...though >the recommended interval is 15K". ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 21:41:41 -0400 From: "KMS- Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: NASCAR "safety" WAS [USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> What am I missing here? Isn't Nascar one of those pussy series that parks all the cars if there's a hint of moisture in the air? How does that give a show to the fans? Brett Anderson KMS > -----Original Message----- > Stan wrote: > > I'm baffled. Absolutely baffled. The same organization that could not > > figure out how to keep a throttle from "sticking open" (as of > just a couple > > of years ago) actually called off a race for safety reasons 30 > years ago??! > > read what I posted below again. the _drivers_ wouldn't race, but the > sanctioning body got substitues to run (in different cars, dunno about > tires). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:41:15 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected] Subject: Any comments on AT Italia Wheels? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Three out of four of my current set of 17" Mille Miglias are bent, with one fairly bad off - it took quite a bit to balance this wheel/tire. I wouldn't normally care so much, but I can now feel the effects rolling down the road. So Tirerack has a special on the AT Italia (17x7.5) Type 5 Sport Bright Satin with Polished Stainless Lip (M Contour Style). I'm not overly concerned with the weight on the wheels, but rather the quality - or specifically how easy they are to bend. I realize this is also a function of what I hit when I drive, but living in Baltimore this becomes tricky. Anybody heard good things or bad things about AT Italias? Phil This e-mail message is confidential, may be privileged and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution or reproduction of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If the addressee cannot be reached or is unknown to you, please inform the sender by return e-mail immediately and delete this e-mail message and destroy all copies. 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On my 330i and M5 I never let it go longer than 6 month between changes no matter how few miles I put on the car during that time. I would not get the indicator reset and then go back 6 months later for a free change. Most owners don't realize you get a change for free once a year if you are a low mile driver (like me). My dealer would do the free change and NOT reset the indicator - so that when it DID show it was time for a change (13k or so since the last reset for me in the 330i) that would be free too. It does not cost that much to change the oil - and shame of BMW for having a system that encourages drivers to leave it in the car for 15k. And shame on BMW owners for letting them do it. Dennis 01 M5 silver/black (sold!) At 09:50 PM 06/26/2005 -0500, Bob Moore wrote: >Looked at an E46 328i I was considering buying today...'99, 64K >miles...beautiful car...I was astounded after having looked under the >valve cover, through the oil filler hole. I couldn't believe the dark >brown, crusty residue all over everything I could see. This thing looked >like it had 164K neglected miles on it to me. Owner says he had the oil >changed at the dealer "about every 10K...though the recommended interval >is 15K". What's going on here? Is this typical of those cars that are >maintained according to BMWs recommendations? Wow. > >Bob >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(15 messages) **********
