The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 464 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: fuel economy (was GM trucks) Re: <OT> GM Trucks Re: <OT> GM Trucks Kewl Stuff Re: E46 Drivers-side rear light cluster issues Re: E46 Drivers-side rear light cluster issues fuel economy Re: <OT> GM Trucks (Mileage) Re: <OT> GM Trucks (Mileage) Re: <OT> GM Trucks Re: (now way<OT>) GM Trucks, MPG Re: <OT> GM Trucks Re: <OT> GM Trucks
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 08:05:35 -0400 From: "John Borella" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: fuel economy (was GM trucks) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My E34 535i with chip gets 18-24 mpg. Before the chip I'd see 27mpg cruising at 80mph with the air off. Our 525iT gets 21-22mpg in mixed driving. We've got 4 other BMWs that get 40-48 mpg but they only have 2 wheels. John B _________________________________________________________________ Interest Rates NEAR 39yr LOWS! $430,000 Mortgage for $1,299/mo - Calculate new payment http://www.lowermybills.com/lre/index.jsp?sourceid=lmb-9632-19132&moid=14888 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 05:09:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Phil Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> One must understand Alex has just found out that Gas is now $3.00 here in the midwest, never said a word when it was $2.50. My properly maintained and tuned 89 325i 4 door 5spd consistanty delivers 19-23 in town and 23 - 29 on the highway. I don't drive like a maniac, I save that for the track. Now Alex thats a different story and I'm very surprised he gets mid teens in the 328i - he has 2 driving options OFF and WOT. Alex also has a few problems with maintenance, but that goes with being a cheapskate! LOL But we do love him in spite of himself :-) Have a good day Buddy!! Phil __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 10:49:21 -0400 From: "Jason Kay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have an '06 Mini CooperS... with a stick, it gets 31-32mpg HW... I drive about 100mi a day mostly HighWay... if I lead-foot it around my favorite twisties it drops down considerably (25mpg probably lower if I drive an entire tank that way) The new '07s get better mileage. (40's?) For comparison, my Porsche 944 Turbo gets 32 on the way to the track and about 8-10 with 2 drivers at Driver's Ed's... and that's a 280hp 2.5L motor vs. the Mini's 1.6L SC 168hp. -Jason '86 951 "Sparky" '70 240Z "Dusty" '03 325xi "Daisy" '06 Mini CooperS > I've had a Mini non-S with CVT since December. At first, leaving it in Sport > (which holds the tach at 3500 rpm) and having lots of fun, I was getting > 26-27mpg. Since my speeding ticket in Feb :(, I've been leaving it in Weenie > (holds the tach at 2200rpm) and doing no more than 80mph. I got 30.9 on the > last tankful. > > Donna > > On Apr 30, 2007, at 5:42 PM, Alex Cagann wrote: > > > <snip> I have been > > driving a Mini Cooper S for a few months...I expected better gas mileage, > > does the non-S get a lot more? > > > > Alex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 08:34:44 -0400 From: "Fuerst Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "KMS- Brett Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "uuc Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Kewl Stuff Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Links for this and Rob's S54??? Danke, 1st -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KMS- Brett Anderson On the other hand, tomorrow we are delivering an E36 325 Compact that we built, that should get at least 35mpg, and that at $1.75/gallon.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 08:46:20 -0400 From: Stephan Goldstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E46 Drivers-side rear light cluster issues Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So is this a "recall" type of issue, or does the service bulletin (thanks for the number, Brett) just advise dealers of how to repair the problem after the fact? Steve (trying to head off any problems with the spousal ride) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 09:15:53 -0400 From: KMS- Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], uuc Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: E46 Drivers-side rear light cluster issues Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It is not a recall. Brett Anderson KMS Stephan Goldstein wrote: > So is this a "recall" type of issue, or does the service bulletin > (thanks for the number, Brett) just advise dealers of how to > repair the problem after the fact? > > Steve (trying to head off any problems with the spousal ride) > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 09:30:18 -0400 From: "Gaudio, Stefano" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: fuel economy Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For the people wanting high mpg, just wait 1-2 years until diesel engines get here (from BMW as well) and you'll start seeing the 330D, which is no slouch, rated at 43.5mpg average (yes it's a different cycle but you get the idea) Cool link with more info... http://www.bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/pricesandspecifications/0,,1156_149349903__bs -Mw%3D%3D%40bb-M0xJ,00.html To note: In France I drove my fiancee's 2000 Peugeot 106 (sporty very little hatch) with the whopping 0.9liters ~55hp in the 100mph - 120mph (downhill ;-) and got ~40mpg. This is the same car that I remember being picked by Jeremy Clarkson from top gear as the best handling front wheel drive! Awesome car, but I'd never drive a <2000Lb car in the US around 6000lb SUVs. Oh yeah driving etiquette was really good in Europe and in France particularly (people use signals/don't cut each other off and the crazy fast driver that blows by you is strictly on the left side and does not slaloms). Stefano E36 M3 - 21mpg _____________________________________________________________ This e-mail and any attachments may be confidential or legally privileged. If you received this message in error or are not the intended recipient, you should destroy the e-mail message and any attachments or copies, and you are prohibited from retaining, distributing, disclosing or using any information contained herein. Please inform us of the erroneous delivery by return e-mail. Thank you for your cooperation. _____________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 09:45:41 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks (Mileage) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I calculate my mileage the old-fashioned way of course, but I have wondered whether on the E36 (M3) there is a way to set the OBC to what you know to be your actual mileage. Right now it says I get 34+ MPG with a range of something like 600 miles on a tank. My actual range is 320-330 on a tank of gas. Is there a way to change this setting as I have not figured it out. Matt Bader 98 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 7:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] <OT> GM Trucks I've seen this discrepency too, and I think at least part of it is the calibration of the mpg function. This _is_ adjustable withing a certain range (not enough to compensate for larger injectors). The thing with BMW engines is an almost unnaturally large correlation between deeper throttle inputs and lower mpg. The delta with my 750 is absurd... my daily commute which has stop-and-go and fun twisty bits brings a horrific average of 12.1mpg, while a highway trip with cruise control set at 75-80mph will easily register around 21mpg. I tried an experiment the other day, "Driving Miss Daisy" style on the same commute home, watching the mph gauge and short shifting (and being passed by one-armed geriatrics in wheelchairs). Average showed 15.6mpg. Awesome! Next morning, the simple act of starting the car (and the cold-cycle fuel dump) instantly dropped it to 14.3mph. Ugh! What to do? Enjoy the fact that it can take 89 octane and drive it mostly when it's fun to drive. My '98 M3, with my not-so-light right foot, sees 17-ish, while a friend's '97, driven mostly the same way, "displays" 23mpg. I don't trust his OBC display as per my opening statement. Supposedly, the S54 in the E46 M3 is capable of great efficiency, one assumes only when driven carefully. I'll monitor that when Brett finishes up the swap into my E36. - Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Jim, > > My daily is a '95 M3 w/ conforti software and CAI (similar > setup). I generally live under 4,500rpm and w/ about > 80/20 (street/hwy) driving, I avg. 21.8mpg religiously > tank to tank. It's pretty common on E36 M3's, however, to > have large mpg variances from car to car. I know 2 local > kids who both drive like idiots w/ their S52's. One gets > 17.8mpgs and the other over 23. > > Could the software throw this off? > Grant Cagann Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 09:23:55 -0700 From: "Marco Romani" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Matt Bader'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks (Mileage) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> IIRC yes - it's one of the hidden function in the OBC. If you google it you'll probably find it out there somewhere. Marco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Bader Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 6:46 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UUC] <OT> GM Trucks (Mileage) I calculate my mileage the old-fashioned way of course, but I have wondered whether on the E36 (M3) there is a way to set the OBC to what you know to be your actual mileage. Right now it says I get 34+ MPG with a range of something like 600 miles on a tank. My actual range is 320-330 on a tank of gas. Is there a way to change this setting as I have not figured it out. Matt Bader 98 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 7:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] <OT> GM Trucks I've seen this discrepency too, and I think at least part of it is the calibration of the mpg function. This _is_ adjustable withing a certain range (not enough to compensate for larger injectors). The thing with BMW engines is an almost unnaturally large correlation between deeper throttle inputs and lower mpg. The delta with my 750 is absurd... my daily commute which has stop-and-go and fun twisty bits brings a horrific average of 12.1mpg, while a highway trip with cruise control set at 75-80mph will easily register around 21mpg. I tried an experiment the other day, "Driving Miss Daisy" style on the same commute home, watching the mph gauge and short shifting (and being passed by one-armed geriatrics in wheelchairs). Average showed 15.6mpg. Awesome! Next morning, the simple act of starting the car (and the cold-cycle fuel dump) instantly dropped it to 14.3mph. Ugh! What to do? Enjoy the fact that it can take 89 octane and drive it mostly when it's fun to drive. My '98 M3, with my not-so-light right foot, sees 17-ish, while a friend's '97, driven mostly the same way, "displays" 23mpg. I don't trust his OBC display as per my opening statement. Supposedly, the S54 in the E46 M3 is capable of great efficiency, one assumes only when driven carefully. I'll monitor that when Brett finishes up the swap into my E36. - Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Jim, > > My daily is a '95 M3 w/ conforti software and CAI (similar setup). I > generally live under 4,500rpm and w/ about 80/20 (street/hwy) driving, > I avg. 21.8mpg religiously tank to tank. It's pretty common on E36 > M3's, however, to have large mpg variances from car to car. I know 2 > local kids who both drive like idiots w/ their S52's. One gets > 17.8mpgs and the other over 23. > > Could the software throw this off? > Grant Cagann Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/782 - Release Date: 5/1/2007 2:10 AM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 06:52:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For the record, the numbers I quoted before were all calculated (I do it every tank). Also, some OBCs are quite accurate ... that old E28 M5 was always within 0.2 mpg of what my calculator said. -tammer --- "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I've seen this discrepency too, and I think at least part > of > it is the calibration of the mpg function. > > This _is_ adjustable withing a certain range (not enough > to > compensate for larger injectors). > > The thing with BMW engines is an almost unnaturally large > correlation between deeper throttle inputs and lower mpg. > > > The delta with my 750 is absurd... my daily commute which > has stop-and-go and fun twisty bits brings a horrific > average of 12.1mpg, while a highway trip with cruise > control > set at 75-80mph will easily register around 21mpg. > > I tried an experiment the other day, "Driving Miss Daisy" > style on the same commute home, watching the mph gauge > and > short shifting (and being passed by one-armed geriatrics > in > wheelchairs). Average showed 15.6mpg. Awesome! Next > morning, the simple act of starting the car (and the > cold-cycle fuel dump) instantly dropped it to 14.3mph. > Ugh! > What to do? Enjoy the fact that it can take 89 octane > and > drive it mostly when it's fun to drive. > > My '98 M3, with my not-so-light right foot, sees 17-ish, > while a friend's '97, driven mostly the same way, > "displays" > 23mpg. I don't trust his OBC display as per my opening > statement. > > Supposedly, the S54 in the E46 M3 is capable of great > efficiency, one assumes only when driven carefully. I'll > monitor that when Brett finishes up the swap into my E36. > > - Rob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Grant Cagann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Jim, > > > > My daily is a '95 M3 w/ conforti software and CAI > (similar > > setup). I generally live under 4,500rpm and w/ about > > 80/20 (street/hwy) driving, I avg. 21.8mpg religiously > > tank to tank. It's pretty common on E36 M3's, however, > to > > have large mpg variances from car to car. I know 2 > local > > kids who both drive like idiots w/ their S52's. One > gets > > 17.8mpgs and the other over 23. > > > > Could the software throw this off? > > Grant Cagann > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder > of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of > the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 08:35:18 -0700 From: John Bolhuis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: (now way<OT>) GM Trucks, MPG Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Tue, May 01, 2007 at 06:52:26AM -0700, Tammer Farid wrote: > For the record, the numbers I quoted before were all > calculated (I do it every tank). Also, some OBCs are quite > accurate ... that old E28 M5 was always within 0.2 mpg of > what my calculator said. ..now if you want to go one better, calibrate your odometer vs. a GPS reading over a good stretch of freeway. Like your speedo, the odo probably reads high as well. My car reads +2.2% for example. If you're a complete nerd like me, and you have a "scangage" code reader / geektoy stuck to your console, you can have fun calibrating both the distance and the fuel trim values to arrive at a real MPG figure. If you really want to get better MPG (you know, when you aren't "drivin it like ya stole it"), you will almost certainly benefit from using the feedback you get from your display. Reset the MPG display prior to your daily drive so that you have a fairly sensitive indication of your driving habits on MPG. The wildly swinging economy-gage needle is a fairly useless gage for the most part. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 10:57:09 -0400 From: "Matt Bader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ah yes, my injectors were changed which explains why my car's math is so off. The manual calculation method is certainly preferable. Matt Bader 98 M3/4 -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Romani Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 1:15 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] <OT> GM Trucks Is that mpg calculated by the car or by hand? The car's math can be off if different size injectors are being used than stock. Marco -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Grant Cagann Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:03 PM To: 'Alex Cagann'; 'Jim Tilley'; 'bbarry'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] <OT> GM Trucks Jim, My daily is a '95 M3 w/ conforti software and CAI (similar setup). I generally live under 4,500rpm and w/ about 80/20 (street/hwy) driving, I avg. 21.8mpg religiously tank to tank. It's pretty common on E36 M3's, however, to have large mpg variances from car to car. I know 2 local kids who both drive like idiots w/ their S52's. One gets 17.8mpgs and the other over 23. Could the software throw this off? Grant Cagann -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Cagann Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 7:55 PM To: 'Jim Tilley'; 'bbarry'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [UUC] <OT> GM Trucks That's amazing. My old E28 M5 got about 12mpg, if that. I have a 2001 M3 convertible that gulps down gas in the mid teens per gallon. The non-M E46 325 convertible I am driving, the window sticker says 19mpg average, I am seeing about the same at the pump (18-19 city, 22-24highway). I drove a 2000 M5 for two months, and got about 14mpg (also had a 2002 for a few months...the same there too), wasn't pretty. How can an M car, almost 10 years old get better gas mileage than a 2004 325 (as noted, it's published on the window sticker)? Not saying you are wrong or I am right...just writing my previous experiences. Alex > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Tilley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 8:26 PM > To: Alex Cagann; 'bbarry'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [UUC] <OT> GM Trucks > > Alex, > > Usually a reader of this newsgroup but I beg to differ with your below > assertion. I drive a 1999 E36 M3 with a chip/CAI and some suspension > improvements. Run a 210 mile stint at each end of the week with city > type driving in between. Get 24.5 mpg consistently and stay at the > head of the traffic flow. So what are you basing your below comment > on? > > "Any BMW with an M on the trunklid...stay close to gas stations! :-)" > > > Cheers, > > Jim Tilley > E36 M3 > SSB/LS Z3, #94 > #93 SM (Sorry about the off brand) Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/780 - Release Date: 4/29/2007 6:30 AM Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 06:04:00 -1000 From: Jay G <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: <OT> GM Trucks Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> awesome... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Supposedly, the S54 in the E46 M3 is capable of great > efficiency, one assumes only when driven carefully. I'll > monitor that when Brett finishes up the swap into my E36. ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(13 messages) **********
