The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 550 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: 1991 Z1 on ebay Re: 1991 Z1 on ebay Re: 1991 Z1 on ebay Update: E36 M3 Mystery Noise Re: Update: E36 M3 Mystery Noise Re: Update: E36 M3 Mystery Noise <OT> Free Mini brakes E36 trailer hitch E46 car cover (new ) $75 Fastest M3 on Fleabay - just needs an engine Vanos clarification Re: 95 vs 96-9 E36 //M3 control arms and bushings
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 12:01:58 -0700 (PDT) From: P Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: 1991 Z1 on ebay Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ed, As I understand, the insurance company would issue an insurance policy for this particular car based on, at least in part, the number of miles per year that the car is to be driven. Thus, for a car which legally is restricted to 2500 miles/year, the insurance policy should be lower because the risk of accident is less compared to a car without any mileage restrictions. Therefore, the insurance company IS going to care a great detal (*cough* insurance fraud *cough*). Unless I'm not understanding you correctly, the fact that the tow truck disconnects the battery (and therefore the odo) AFTER an accident is likely of ZERO concern to the insurance company. -Paul 95 M3 98 Panoz ----- Original Message ---- From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:38:53 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] 1991 Z1 on ebay Why do you say this? On all the recent cars, the odo is digital and if the accident is any degree of seriousness, the tow operator or the body shop unhook the battery, doing the same thing . . . . Ed P Kroon wrote: > Back to more BMW related teach, my concern (if I owned such that Z1 and > disabled the odo) is NOT the Federal Government, but rather my insurance > company. I'm SURE they would have something to say about it if the car was > ever in an accident. Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:08:54 -0400 From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: 1991 Z1 on ebay Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The practical situation is that the insurance company may care how many miles you drive each vehicle per year, but doesn't check in the event of an accident. I say that because I hang around my two bodyshops a good bit and never have seen a bodyshop be paid to hook up a vehicle to a battery so the adjuster could verify the mileage on the car . . . The risk of electrical damage in modern cars by hooking up the battery in a damaged car is just too great in comparison to whatever information they might obtain by doing so. Naturally a multi death accident where lots of claims are resulting and the black box data is being retrieved is an entirely different story. Ed P Kroon wrote: > Ed, > > As I understand, the insurance company would issue an insurance policy for > this particular car based on, at least in part, the number of miles per year > that the car is to be driven. Thus, for a car which legally is restricted to > 2500 miles/year, the insurance policy should be lower because the risk of > accident is less compared to a car without any mileage restrictions. > Therefore, the insurance company IS going to care a great detal (*cough* > insurance fraud *cough*). > > Unless I'm not understanding you correctly, the fact that the tow truck > disconnects the battery (and therefore the odo) AFTER an accident is likely > of ZERO concern to the insurance company. > > -Paul > 95 M3 > 98 Panoz > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 2:38:53 PM > Subject: Re: [UUC] 1991 Z1 on ebay > > > Why do you say this? > > On all the recent cars, the odo is digital and if the accident is any > degree of seriousness, the tow operator or the body shop unhook the > battery, doing the same thing . . . . > > Ed > > P Kroon wrote: > >> Back to more BMW related teach, my concern (if I owned such that Z1 and >> disabled the odo) is NOT the Federal Government, but rather my insurance >> company. I'm SURE they would have something to say about it if the car was >> ever in an accident. > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel > and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:51:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Chet Dawes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [email protected] Subject: Re: 1991 Z1 on ebay Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ed, It happened in my case...... The insurance adjuster locked the keys in the car after reconnecting the battery in order to see the ODO. I got a call from the repair shop needing a spare key 'cause of the "idiot insurance adjuster" (and I quote). No death, no investigation, etc. but the mileage of the car was indeed logged in the adjuster's report! At least the tow company unhooked the battery in that case. I was at the scene of an accident a few weeks ago and the tow truck driver CUT the battery cable rather than unhook it. Cheers, Chet Dawes -----Original Message----- >From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Aug 22, 2007 3:08 PM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [UUC] 1991 Z1 on ebay > >The practical situation is that the insurance company may care how many >miles you drive each vehicle per year, but doesn't check in the event of >an accident. I say that because I hang around my two bodyshops a good >bit and never have seen a bodyshop be paid to hook up a vehicle to a >battery so the adjuster could verify the mileage on the car . . . > >The risk of electrical damage in modern cars by hooking up the battery >in a damaged car is just too great in comparison to whatever information >they might obtain by doing so. > >Naturally a multi death accident where lots of claims are resulting and >the black box data is being retrieved is an entirely different story. > >Ed > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:17:28 -0500 From: "Chris Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Update: E36 M3 Mystery Noise Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> First of all, thanks to everyone for your feedback on my mystery noise. Sadly among all of the opinions there was no one that picked the cause of the noise. I know this because I discovered the source of the noise in a rather interesting way. After checking out all of the suggestions offered and everything else I could think of I deemed it alright for me to go autocross in Grenada on 29 July, noise be damned. There were only 10 cars at the event so seat time was plentiful and I was steadily dialing in my new suspension and knocking the rust off of my driving ability. During the second set of runs for the day I began making the most progress on my time. On my next to last run everything clicked, I hit my apex target cones, had good speed coming out of the sweeper, kept the car under control through the large slalom and was approaching the tight small slalom with the finish line in sight and assured at least a second off my time if I could keep my wits about me. Funny how Murphy works. After two slalom cones the answer to my noise query ironically came to me in the form of a rather distinct louder noise followed by an unitentional 180 and the realization that I was now facing backwards and sitting slightly lower on the right side than I had been mere seconds ago. Examination of the right rear tire revealed some sidewall damage but not the cause of the flat. It was caused after the tire lost pressure and rolled over. (Roland will appreciate the failure analysis in this story). As I was staring at the tire my eyes moved down to the inside of the wheel. "Holy Sh**" followed my observation of a baseball sized jagged hole staring back at me from the inside of my wheel. You see new things everyday. After I was able to tear my eyes away from that I noticed that my brake caliper was in pieces along with damage to my new Ultimate pads, upper control arm, and rotor guard. At this point more that "Holy Sh**" was coming to mind. Anyway, the failure process goes like this: Brake caliper bolt is loose/crossthreaded causing loose brake caliper which causes mystery noise (no longer a mystery) Brake caliper bolt comes out (later found at start/finish line area) I apply brake approaching slalom, Remaining brake caliper bolt shears Brake caliper is slung into inner wheel surface (new pads and rotors effective, great!) Wheel breaks, tire goes flat, rotor guard is bent onto rotor, upper control arm is damaged, unexpected 180 ensues Cursing ensues followed by more cursing when realization sets in that somehow I must get back to Jackson, realization of impending monetary cost, more cursing Rigging of damaged brake caliper with scrap wood to prevent piston blowout and any additional unexpected vehicle movement ensues Limp home achieved with 3 good brakes and engine braking This however was a bittersweet ride home. I had peace of mind knowing that I no longer heard the mystery noise and now knew the answer to my question. However, more time and money would be required to get my ride back up to snuff. This was all I could think about on the ride home since the only distraction available was the suprisingly loud drone of the M3 minus the catback exhaust. Should have know it was going to be a bad day when I exited the interstate going to the event site and my exhaust hangar failed causing a noticeable entrance to the event, no mystery to that noise. Once I can get some pics I'll post a link of the carnage. That being said if there are any brake calipers, Axxis Ultimate pads, rotor guards, or upper and lower control arms up for sale please let me know. Chris 95 E36 M3 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Chris Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Jul 27, 2007 7:53 AM Subject: [UUC] E36 M3 Mystery Noise To: [email protected] All, I own a 95 M3 that has a strange clunking/rattling noise coming from the passenger rear side of the car. It occurs when driving over uneven surfaces or bumps, but typically not at highway speed (assuming the highway is a little smoother) so in Jackson, MS with our roads it happens a lot. It is driving me crazy and if anyone can help me out I would appreciate it. I first thought it was the RSM, changed it, no difference. Then I thought it was the rear shock, changed it, although it was shot, no difference. I have taken everything out of the trunk, spare, CD player, tail light plastic covers, plastic panels, anything that could possibly make the noise from inside. The only thing I could possibly link it to would be that I changed my brake rotors and pads on all four corners sometime close to when the noise started. Like I said it has me pulling my hair out, any help would be appreciated. Thanks Chris 95 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:27:16 -0500 From: Clarence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Chris Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Update: E36 M3 Mystery Noise Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> It's always nice to hear the outcome of various inquiries. You were lucky. A similar thing happened to my student in his son's car. Two years ago, coming fast into turn 5 at Road America, the front right caliper broke loose the instant the driver hit the brakes in an E30 iX. We spun around several times and hit the right wall several times before coming to a stop. That car was not driven home, nor ever driven again. We, luckily, walked away. I think of this every time I'm working on brakes. Clarence West Bend, WI Chris Harper wrote: > First of all, thanks to everyone for your feedback on my mystery > noise. Sadly among all of the opinions there was no one that picked > the cause of the noise. I know this because I discovered the source > of the noise in a rather interesting way. > > After checking out all of the suggestions offered and everything else > I could think of I deemed it alright for me to go autocross in Grenada > on 29 July, noise be damned. There were only 10 cars at the event so > seat time was plentiful and I was steadily dialing in my new > suspension and knocking the rust off of my driving ability. During > the second set of runs for the day I began making the most progress on > my time. On my next to last run everything clicked, I hit my apex > target cones, had good speed coming out of the sweeper, kept the car > under control through the large slalom and was approaching the tight > small slalom with the finish line in sight and assured at least a > second off my time if I could keep my wits about me. Funny how Murphy > works. After two slalom cones the answer to my noise query ironically > came to me in the form of a rather distinct louder noise followed by > an unitentional 180 and the realization that I was now facing > backwards and sitting slightly lower on the right side than I had been > mere seconds ago. Examination of the right rear tire revealed some > sidewall damage but not the cause of the flat. It was caused after > the tire lost pressure and rolled over. (Roland will appreciate the > failure analysis in this story). As I was staring at the tire my eyes > moved down to the inside of the wheel. "Holy Sh**" followed my > observation of a baseball sized jagged hole staring back at me from > the inside of my wheel. You see new things everyday. After I was > able to tear my eyes away from that I noticed that my brake caliper > was in pieces along with damage to my new Ultimate pads, upper control > arm, and rotor guard. At this point more that "Holy Sh**" was coming > to mind. Anyway, the failure process goes like this: > > Brake caliper bolt is loose/crossthreaded causing loose brake caliper > which causes mystery noise (no longer a mystery) > > Brake caliper bolt comes out (later found at start/finish line area) > > I apply brake approaching slalom, Remaining brake caliper bolt shears > > Brake caliper is slung into inner wheel surface (new pads and rotors > effective, great!) > > Wheel breaks, tire goes flat, rotor guard is bent onto rotor, upper > control arm is damaged, unexpected 180 ensues > > Cursing ensues followed by more cursing when realization sets in that > somehow I must get back to Jackson, realization of impending monetary > cost, more cursing > > Rigging of damaged brake caliper with scrap wood to prevent piston > blowout and any additional unexpected vehicle movement ensues > > Limp home achieved with 3 good brakes and engine braking > > This however was a bittersweet ride home. I had peace of mind knowing > that I no longer heard the mystery noise and now knew the answer to my > question. However, more time and money would be required to get my > ride back up to snuff. This was all I could think about on the ride > home since the only distraction available was the suprisingly loud > drone of the M3 minus the catback exhaust. Should have know it was > going to be a bad day when I exited the interstate going to the event > site and my exhaust hangar failed causing a noticeable entrance to the > event, no mystery to that noise. Once I can get some pics I'll post a > link of the carnage. > > That being said if there are any brake calipers, Axxis Ultimate pads, > rotor guards, or upper and lower control arms up for sale please let > me know. > > Chris > 95 E36 M3 > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Chris Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Jul 27, 2007 7:53 AM > Subject: [UUC] E36 M3 Mystery Noise > To: [email protected] > > > All, > > I own a 95 M3 that has a strange clunking/rattling noise coming from > the passenger rear side of the car. It occurs when driving over > uneven surfaces or bumps, but typically not at highway speed (assuming > the highway is a little smoother) so in Jackson, MS with our roads it > happens a lot. It is driving me crazy and if anyone can help me out I > would appreciate it. I first thought it was the RSM, changed it, no > difference. Then I thought it was the rear shock, changed it, > although it was shot, no difference. I have taken everything out of > the trunk, spare, CD player, tail light plastic covers, plastic > panels, anything that could possibly make the noise from inside. The > only thing I could possibly link it to would be that I changed my > brake rotors and pads on all four corners sometime close to when the > noise started. Like I said it has me pulling my hair out, any help > would be appreciated. > > Thanks > > Chris > 95 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:42:45 -0400 From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Update: E36 M3 Mystery Noise Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Well, the good news is that you now have an opportunity to get real brake pads. Those Axxis pads are truly wretched. Move on over to something good like a Hawk Performance Ceramic and you'll have much better results in every characteristic. - Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Harper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > That being said if there are any brake calipers, Axxis Ultimate pads, > rotor guards, or upper and lower control arms up for sale please let > me know. > > Chris > 95 E36 M3 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:08:34 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: <OT> Free Mini brakes Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/zip/403448654.html ---------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail communication is confidential and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. 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Beepee ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:55:59 -0700 (GMT-07:00) From: dgc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Uucdigest <[email protected]> Subject: Fastest M3 on Fleabay - just needs an engine Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Check this out: eBay Item number: 170141268778 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170141268778&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fmotors.search.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsearch%2Fsearch.dll%3Fsofocus%3Dbs%26sbrftog%3D1%26from%3DR10%26satitle%3D170141268778%26sacat%3D6000%2526catref%253DC6%26sargn%3D-1%2526saslc%253D2%26sadis%3D200%26fpos%3D95062%26ftrt%3D1%26ftrv%3D1%26saprclo%3D%26saprchi%3D%26sass%3D%26fsop%3D1%26fsoo%3D1%26fvi%3D1 -dgc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 17:52:54 -0700 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Vanos clarification Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I was reading up on the Vanos to better understand it. Most descriptions leave out the fact that the actuator that moves the sprocket is actually a piston which moves axially. I just wanted to verify that from my analysis the design is very clever because by having the cam sprocket helical gear cut as a right hand screw and the cam helix as a left hand screw you're actually multiplying the mechanical action. Am I correct in this assumption? -Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail communication is confidential and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by replying to the e-mail. Please then delete the e-mail and any copies of it. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 22:35:32 -0500 (CDT) From: "Kevin Jay (Mr.Fabulous)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: 95 vs 96-9 E36 //M3 control arms and bushings Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> When I R&Red the c-arms and bushings on my non-M '96 E36 in 2002, the concensus (to achieve the same suspension geometry) was to use '95 M3 arms and '96+ M3 (centered) lower bushings. I've been running this (street) since, no issues that I've ever noticed (way improved steering and overall handling response compared to the crap non-M bushings, tire wear is normal). - Kevin Jay '96 328is, red/tan, 103K, usual H&R/Bilstein setup, a few M3 parts too '02 X5 3.0, white/tan, 66K, bone stock ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(12 messages) **********
