The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 417 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Speaking of BMW Minis.... Re: [POSSIBLE SPAM] Re: Geneve Preview of new M3 Re: [POSSIBLE SPAM] Re: Geneve Preview of new M3 Re: Geneve Preview of new M3 Re: Geneve Preview of new M3 Re: Geneve Preview of new M3 Re: Geneve Preview of new M3 Car weight (was Geneve Preview of new M3) Re: Car weight (was Geneve Preview of new M3) Re: Car weight Uh-oh. Fire at Watkins Glen International FW: Uh-oh. Fire at Watkins Glen International
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:14:31 -0500 From: "Jason Kay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Speaking of BMW Minis.... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Since I just got me one of those little go-karts (This Sat.), does anyone have a favorite email/forum site they'd like to share? TIA! -Jason '86 951 "Sparky" '70 240Z "Dusty" '03 325xi "Daisy" '06 Mini CooperS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 20:22:42 -0600 (CST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [POSSIBLE SPAM] Re: Geneve Preview of new M3 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wrong , that's the Gross Vehicle Weight. Per the owners manual of my Wife's '06 Cooper S, the Curb Weight with ALL optional equipment. Manual 2,679 lbs, with Auto 6 speed Steptronic 2,723 lbs Rich > Well, even the MINI (BMW) checks in at a mighty 3400+lbs! > Any mfg. will be hard pressed to mfg. a new vehicle that passes emissions > and crash safety tests and still weighs less than 3K #... > > (The P-car Carbon-Fiber Carerra GT still clocks in over 3000#!) > To break into the sub 3K# range, one must look back to the late 80's E30s > or 911SC's... > > -Jason > '86 951 "Sparky" (3100+lbs) > '70 240Z "Dusty" (2600+lbs) > '03 325xi "Daisy"(just not going there) > '06 Mini CooperS (3400+lbs) > > >> They are all tubs of lard IMHO. Heck I'll even put my e36M3 tin that >> category (oh the heresy). What we need is a new M1 Coupe, and a >> Touring variant just for grins. >> >> The more I drive my 2610 lb e30 318is, the more I appreciate >> lightness and wonderful balance....where is that car in the current >> lineup? >> >> cheers! >> John Grills >> NCC-BMWCCA >> 98 M3/4 >> 91 318is >> 88 M3 >> 87 Cabrio (soon to live in sunny Florida) >> >> >> On Mar 6, 2007, at 2:10 PM, Matt Murray wrote: >> >> > Somehow, it just looks too heavy. An illness the more current BMWs >> > are afflicted with. :^( >> > >> > Matt Murray >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Kay" >> > >> > >> >> http://jalopnik.com/cars/concept-cars/geneva-premiere-bmw-m3- >> >> concept-241905.php >> >> >> >> Enjoy! >> >> >> >> -Jason > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:43:59 -0800 (PST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [POSSIBLE SPAM] Re: Geneve Preview of new M3 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Oink! This site <http://www.automotive.com/2002/12/mini/cooper/specifications/index.html> says my '02 weighs 1050 kg, or 2310 lbs. Even adding 200lbs for the CVT, 2510 lbs is pretty light for a modern car. Unfortunately, it's still a bit much for the little 1.6l motor. :) Donna ----- Original Message ---- From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2007 6:22:42 PM Subject: Re: [POSSIBLE SPAM] Re: [UUC] Geneve Preview of new M3 Wrong , that's the Gross Vehicle Weight. Per the owners manual of my Wife's '06 Cooper S, the Curb Weight with ALL optional equipment. Manual 2,679 lbs, with Auto 6 speed Steptronic 2,723 lbs Rich > Well, even the MINI (BMW) checks in at a mighty 3400+lbs! > Any mfg. will be hard pressed to mfg. a new vehicle that passes emissions > and crash safety tests and still weighs less than 3K #... > > (The P-car Carbon-Fiber Carerra GT still clocks in over 3000#!) > To break into the sub 3K# range, one must look back to the late 80's E30s > or 911SC's... > > -Jason > '86 951 "Sparky" (3100+lbs) > '70 240Z "Dusty" (2600+lbs) > '03 325xi "Daisy"(just not going there) > '06 Mini CooperS (3400+lbs) > > >> They are all tubs of lard IMHO. Heck I'll even put my e36M3 tin that >> category (oh the heresy). What we need is a new M1 Coupe, and a >> Touring variant just for grins. >> >> The more I drive my 2610 lb e30 318is, the more I appreciate >> lightness and wonderful balance....where is that car in the current >> lineup? >> >> cheers! >> John Grills >> NCC-BMWCCA >> 98 M3/4 >> 91 318is >> 88 M3 >> 87 Cabrio (soon to live in sunny Florida) >> >> >> On Mar 6, 2007, at 2:10 PM, Matt Murray wrote: >> >> > Somehow, it just looks too heavy. An illness the more current BMWs >> > are afflicted with. :^( >> > >> > Matt Murray >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Kay" >> > >> > >> >> http://jalopnik.com/cars/concept-cars/geneva-premiere-bmw-m3- >> >> concept-241905.php >> >> >> >> Enjoy! >> >> >> >> -Jason <snippage> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:39:27 -0500 From: "Ben Keyes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jason Kay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "UUC Digest" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Geneve Preview of new M3 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 3/6/07, Jason Kay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, even the MINI (BMW) checks in at a mighty 3400+lbs! you must have a really fat Mini since the new Cooper S (heavier than the old one by a touch IIRC) only weighs 2679 lbs base curb weight. > Any mfg. will be hard pressed to mfg. a new vehicle that passes emissions > and crash safety tests and still weighs less than 3K #... well there's the Miata (2441 base), the Solstice (2860 base), Honda Fit (2432), Nissan Versa (2722), Scion xA (2340), Scion tC (2830), Suzuki Reno (2745), Yaris (2293), Corolla (2530), Kia Rio5 (2438), Scion xB (2415), Focus (2696), Civic (2628), Suzuki SX4 (AWD even but 2849). hell, even the battery-laden Prius is 2932. > (The P-car Carbon-Fiber Carerra GT still clocks in over 3000#!) so what ? Ben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 19:02:41 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Ruiz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Geneve Preview of new M3 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hrm.... Looked at a few other pictures at the site Kevin sent: http://www.modsearch.com/articles/gallery.php?id=more_bmw_m3_geneva_pics Those look like Michelin Pilot Sport Cup tires... wonder if those will be stock issue? >:-)~ Brian 95 M3 ----- Original Message ---- From: Jason Kay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: donna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2007 5:56:05 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] Geneve Preview of new M3 OMFG! drewl... (and not over the model either) (makes my new (to me) Mini seem like a little porker! And its only 2 options are 17" rims and LSD...) -Jason '86 951 "Sparky" '70 240Z "Dusty" '03 325xi "Daisy" '06 Mini CooperS > Under a different tent: > <http://jalopnik.com/cars/news/geneva-showcase-lotus-exige-gt3-241811.php> > > Donna > '88 M3, considerably lightened > '02 Mini, not a single option to weigh it down > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: John Grills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Matt Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: UUC Digest <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2007 2:13:31 PM > Subject: Re: [UUC] Geneve Preview of new M3 > > They are all tubs of lard IMHO. Heck I'll even put my e36M3 tin that > category (oh the heresy). What we need is a new M1 Coupe, and a > Touring variant just for grins. > > The more I drive my 2610 lb e30 318is, the more I appreciate > lightness and wonderful balance....where is that car in the current > lineup? > > cheers! > John Grills > <> > > > On Mar 6, 2007, at 2:10 PM, Matt Murray wrote: > > > Somehow, it just looks too heavy. An illness the more current BMWs > > are afflicted with. :^( > > > > Matt Murray > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Kay" > > > > > >> http://jalopnik.com/cars/concept-cars/geneva-premiere-bmw-m3- > >> concept-241905.php > >> > >> Enjoy! > >> > >> -Jason 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 10:07:56 -0500 From: "Mitchell, Philip S" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Geneve Preview of new M3 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Wow! I knew my E38 was a tank at over 4000 lbs. but I didn't know how heavy ALL of the later year bimmers were. My theory is that you only have so much money in a price range for developing technology and BMW puts it into their sophisticated electronic driver aids like traction control and such, as well as their continued development of powertrain and chassis dynamics. To go into lighter weight through composites and alloys would be entering an entire new realm, and that costs a lot of money. Maybe they should buy Lotus from Proton or GM or whoever owns it now and see the other end of the spectrum. The Elise has no high tech goodies and very few amenities, and tips the scales at just UNDER 2000 lbs. It is amazing at the performance gains that you reap when you shed weight. Acceleration, agility, cornering, braking all go through the roof with the added benefit of improved fuel economy. The other trade offs are comfort and durability. They haven't built a Lotus yet that would last the 230k miles that I have on my 97 740i without a couple of complete rebuilds. There must be a middle ground. Phil Mitchell Wheaton, Maryland 1997 740i daily driver Numerous lightweight British sportscars <<(The P-car Carbon-Fiber Carerra GT still clocks in over 3000#!) To break into the sub 3K# range, one must look back to the late 80's E30s or 911SC's... -Jason '86 951 "Sparky" (3100+lbs) '70 240Z "Dusty" (2600+lbs) '03 325xi "Daisy"(just not going there) '06 Mini CooperS (3400+lbs) > They are all tubs of lard IMHO. Heck I'll even put my e36M3 tin that > category (oh the heresy). What we need is a new M1 Coupe, and a > Touring variant just for grins. > > The more I drive my 2610 lb e30 318is, the more I appreciate > lightness and wonderful balance....where is that car in the current > lineup? > > cheers! > John Grills > NCC-BMWCCA > 98 M3/4 > 91 318is > 88 M3 > 87 Cabrio (soon to live in sunny Florida) > > > << ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 22:56:50 -0500 From: "m3 drvr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Geneve Preview of new M3 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sorry y'all...That looks nice to me, but I agree it probably is a porker. I wonder how much it weighs compared to a E39 M5... >From: "Matt Bader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: "'UUC Digest'" <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [UUC] Geneve Preview of new M3 >Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:03:37 -0500 > >Yes, the newest Mustang GT500 weighs in at a hefty 4,000 lbs. I consider >myself almost lucky that my car "only" weighs 3175 lbs. > >Matt Bader >1998 M3/4 > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Kay >Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 8:49 PM >To: John Grills >Cc: UUC Digest >Subject: Re: [UUC] Geneve Preview of new M3 > >Well, even the MINI (BMW) checks in at a mighty 3400+lbs! >Any mfg. will be hard pressed to mfg. a new vehicle that passes emissions >and crash safety tests and still weighs less than 3K #... > >(The P-car Carbon-Fiber Carerra GT still clocks in over 3000#!) >To break into the sub 3K# range, one must look back to the late 80's E30s >or >911SC's... > >-Jason >'86 951 "Sparky" (3100+lbs) >'70 240Z "Dusty" (2600+lbs) >'03 325xi "Daisy"(just not going there) >'06 Mini CooperS (3400+lbs) > > > > They are all tubs of lard IMHO. Heck I'll even put my e36M3 tin that > > category (oh the heresy). What we need is a new M1 Coupe, and a > > Touring variant just for grins. > > > > The more I drive my 2610 lb e30 318is, the more I appreciate > > lightness and wonderful balance....where is that car in the current > > lineup? > > > > cheers! > > John Grills > > NCC-BMWCCA > > 98 M3/4 > > 91 318is > > 88 M3 > > 87 Cabrio (soon to live in sunny Florida) > > > > > > On Mar 6, 2007, at 2:10 PM, Matt Murray wrote: > > > > > Somehow, it just looks too heavy. An illness the more current BMWs > > > are afflicted with. :^( > > > > > > Matt Murray > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Kay" > > > > > > > > >> http://jalopnik.com/cars/concept-cars/geneva-premiere-bmw-m3- > > >> concept-241905.php > > >> > > >> Enjoy! > > >> > > >> -Jason > > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > > >Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > >__________________________________________________________________________ >In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > >UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate >Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! >908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com _________________________________________________________________ Find what you need at prices youll love. Compare products and save at MSN® Shopping. http://shopping.msn.com/default/shp/?ptnrid=37,ptnrdata=24102&tcode=T001MSN20A0701 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 19:58:02 -0800 (PST) From: Andre Yew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Car weight (was Geneve Preview of new M3) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This past weekend at the dinner for the GGC's Sears Point school, Satch Carlson was the guest speaker, and there was a discussion of why BMW built increasingly heavier cars. I thought the most interesting part of the conversation was the new definition of "light": 3100 pounds (the approximate street weight of the Porsche 911 GT3, which, along with the Lotus Elise/Exige, must be the official track car of the BMW CCA as there were something like 10 or 11 total of both those cars there). It seems people are happy when cars are near 3000 pounds these days, and that doesn't seem right to me. The McLaren F1 road car, designed in 1993, was just a bit over 2300 lbs. Surely some progress must have trickled down in 14 years! --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 23:16:29 -0500 From: "Ben Keyes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Andre Yew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: Car weight (was Geneve Preview of new M3) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> the McLaren F1 cost close to $1 mil when it was new & they lost money on every one of them. they also weight around 2500 lbs (1140kg), not 2300 lbs. given that kind of money you can have all the lightness you want, say in the form of a Zonda F or Koenigsegg, tho both of them are a bit heavier. tho BMW has put structural carbon into the roof of theE46 CSL, M6 and likely the CSL version of this new M3, it's still a bit pricey to use in high volume. somehow I don't think gold leaf as heat insulation or inconel exhausts are going to make it into anything anytime soon tho. Ben On 3/6/07, Andre Yew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This past weekend at the dinner for the GGC's Sears Point school, Satch > Carlson was the guest speaker, and there was a discussion of why BMW built > increasingly heavier cars. I thought the most interesting part of the > conversation was the new definition of "light": 3100 pounds (the > approximate street weight of the Porsche 911 GT3, which, along with the > Lotus Elise/Exige, must be the official track car of the BMW CCA as there > were something like 10 or 11 total of both those cars there). It seems > people are happy when cars are near 3000 pounds these days, and that > doesn't seem right to me. The McLaren F1 road car, designed in 1993, was > just a bit over 2300 lbs. Surely some progress must have trickled down in > 14 years! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 08:04:26 -0500 From: Matt Murray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Car weight Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Corvette Z06 (C5 version) weigh in at around 3,050. Matt Murray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Yew" > This past weekend at the dinner for the GGC's Sears Point school, Satch > Carlson was the guest speaker, and there was a discussion of why BMW built > increasingly heavier cars. I thought the most interesting part of the > conversation was the new definition of "light": 3100 pounds (the > approximate street weight of the Porsche 911 GT3, which, along with the > Lotus Elise/Exige, must be the official track car of the BMW CCA as there > were something like 10 or 11 total of both those cars there). It seems > people are happy when cars are near 3000 pounds these days, and that > doesn't seem right to me. The McLaren F1 road car, designed in 1993, was > just a bit over 2300 lbs. Surely some progress must have trickled down in > 14 years! > > --Andre ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 00:00:25 -0500 From: Dennis Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ferrari List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'911/993/996'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "BMW List" <[email protected]> Subject: Uh-oh. Fire at Watkins Glen International Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hmmm... Hope it doesn't affect track operations or the garage! Fire at Watkins Glen 3/6/07 In Schyler County, a major fire has broken out at Watkins Glen raceway. The fire broke around 8:45 Tuesday night. An eyewitness says the fire could be seen from miles away and that one of the clubhouses at the track was fully involved. Six fire companies were called to the scene. The famed road course at Watkins Glenn held its first race in 1948. It also hosted the U.S. Grand Prix Formula One races from 1961-1980. Nextel Cup racing is set to return to the Glen this August. http://www.10nbc.com/news.asp?template=item&story_id=21795 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 00:22:31 -0500 From: Dennis Liu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'911/993/996'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "BMW List" <[email protected]> Cc: "Pat Scopelliti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: FW: Uh-oh. Fire at Watkins Glen International Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Whew... It looks like it won't affect club usage of the track, at least. -----Original Message----- From: Pat Scopelliti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well folks, no pun intended... the Glen Club is toast. See http://www.star-gazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070306/UPDATE/30306 0013 If that fails, start at the front page http://www.star-gazette.com/ I copied the two photos: http://pasquale.dhs.org/GlenClub1.jpg http://pasquale.dhs.org/GlenClub2.jpg What a blaze. My guess is no one was aware of the fire until it had gotten out of control. The Glen Club was the building next to the essses. You could watch the track from indoors or from the roof. Doubt this will have any effect upon events beyond the loss of a restaurant/meeting area. I know that the Glen region of the SCCA was planning their 50th anniversary celebration there on March 31 - we'll obviously have to find an alternative location. Pat Pat Scopelliti [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: Dennis Liu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 12:00 AM To: Pat Scopelliti Cc: The FerrariList Subject: [Ferrari] Uh-oh. Fire at Watkins Glen International Hmmm... Hope it doesn't affect track operations or the garage! Fire at Watkins Glen 3/6/07 In Schyler County, a major fire has broken out at Watkins Glen raceway. The fire broke around 8:45 Tuesday night. An eyewitness says the fire could be seen from miles away and that one of the clubhouses at the track was fully involved. Six fire companies were called to the scene. The famed road course at Watkins Glenn held its first race in 1948. It also hosted the U.S. Grand Prix Formula One races from 1961-1980. Nextel Cup racing is set to return to the Glen this August. http://www.10nbc.com/news.asp?template=item&story_id=21795 _________________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe or modify your subscription options, please visit: http://lists.ferrarilist.com/mailman/options/ferrari/pscopell%40stny.rr.com Sponsored by BidNip.com eBay Auction Sniper ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(12 messages) **********
