The BMW UUC Digest 
Volume 3 : Issue 636 : "text" Format

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  Mash up
  <E36> rear axle woes continue
  Re: <E36> rear axle woes continue
  Re: <E36> rear axle woes continue
  Re: <E36> rear axle woes continue
  Re: <E36> rear axle woes continue
  Re: <E36> rear axle woes continue
  Re: <E36> rear axle woes continue
  Re: <E36> rear axle woes continue
  Re: <E36> rear axle woes continue
  Re: GM Automatic Maintenance
  Re: GM Automatic Maintenance
  Re: GM Automatic Maintenance
  Re: GM Automatic Maintenance
  e30 electrical gremlin

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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 10:47:37 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected]
Subject: Mash up
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


If I recall Jay's in Florida????

Thanks Paul on your recommendation for Sayther in Austin, a great
recommendation and duly sent to my friend. With all the things I've read
about/by him in Roundel, it escaped me that he was in Austin.
With that in mind, in visiting their site I watched some of their
videos.... here comes the mash up part.... Jay you might be interested in
visiting this to see what happens when good bearings go bad and I mean real
bad.

-Kevin




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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:58:31 -0600 (CST)
From: "Kevin Jay (Mr.Fabulous)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: <E36> rear axle woes continue
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


So I take the car to this local guy today to R&R my LR wheel bearing.  No
worries, right?  Dude just called to say he's been unable to separate the axle
from the hub... and that the only option now is to replace the axle, hub, and
trailing arm (I don't understand why the arm has to go).  Says he's tried
heating it, banging on it, even destroyed a good puller.  His price WAG
(dealer) for parts is $1500 (he hasn't called it in yet, he's waiting for me
to tell him what to do).  Seems a bit high... I have to think this stuff is
available for less from someplace like Pelican?  Geeezus, I don't have $2K
just laying around to throw at this.  Not sure what to do.....

- Kevin Jay
  '96 328is, red/tan, 104K, usual H&R/Bilstein setup, a few M3 parts too
  '02 X5 3.0, white/tan, 67K, bone stock

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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:14:43 -0600
From: "Bill Proud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Kevin Jay \(Mr.Fabulous\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
        <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: <E36> rear axle woes continue
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Visit local U-pick cash in hand ??
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Jay (Mr.Fabulous)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 4:58 PM
Subject: [UUC] <E36> rear axle woes continue


>
> So I take the car to this local guy today to R&R my LR wheel bearing.  No
> worries, right?  Dude just called to say he's been unable to separate the 
> axle
> from the hub... and that the only option now is to replace the axle, hub, 
> and
> trailing arm (I don't understand why the arm has to go).  Says he's tried
> heating it, banging on it, even destroyed a good puller.  His price WAG
> (dealer) for parts is $1500 (he hasn't called it in yet, he's waiting for 
> me
> to tell him what to do).  Seems a bit high... I have to think this stuff 
> is
> available for less from someplace like Pelican?  Geeezus, I don't have $2K
> just laying around to throw at this.  Not sure what to do.....
>
> - Kevin Jay
>  '96 328is, red/tan, 104K, usual H&R/Bilstein setup, a few M3 parts too
>  '02 X5 3.0, white/tan, 67K, bone stock
> Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA.
>
> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate
> Short Shifter - accept no substitutes!
> 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com 


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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:38:10 -0600
From: "Paul Garnier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Kevin Jay \(Mr.Fabulous\)'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
        <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: <E36> rear axle woes continue
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

The bearing R&R is a little tricky if you've never seen it done. Easy to
mess up the hub if you've been hitting it wrong.
Once the hub is messed and flowered out, it's time for a control arm.
Considering they've been heating and banging on it, they've probably marred
the arm and hub beyond return.
It's hard to prove they messed it up, cause they always have the excuse that
you ran too long on the bad bearing and annealed the race to the control
arm.
My indie shop/friend has never had one get the best of him, but he's had a
bit of experience as well.

$1500 seems a bit stiff for parts, looks like he taking advantage of the
opportunity to make a bit of $$ on the new parts. Can you blame him? He's in
business to make $$.

See if he'll install parts that you supply. I have a few sources for used
parts. The bearing you will want new of course.

Paul Garnier
FastNetworking.com
281.827.0725

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Jay
(Mr.Fabulous)
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 4:59 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [UUC] <E36> rear axle woes continue


So I take the car to this local guy today to R&R my LR wheel bearing.  No
worries, right?  Dude just called to say he's been unable to separate the
axle
from the hub... and that the only option now is to replace the axle, hub,
and
trailing arm (I don't understand why the arm has to go).  Says he's tried
heating it, banging on it, even destroyed a good puller.  His price WAG
(dealer) for parts is $1500 (he hasn't called it in yet, he's waiting for me
to tell him what to do).  Seems a bit high... I have to think this stuff is
available for less from someplace like Pelican?  Geeezus, I don't have $2K
just laying around to throw at this.  Not sure what to do.....

- Kevin Jay
  '96 328is, red/tan, 104K, usual H&R/Bilstein setup, a few M3 parts too
  '02 X5 3.0, white/tan, 67K, bone stock
Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]


__________________________________________________________________________
In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA.

UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate
Short Shifter - accept no substitutes!
908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com



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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:57:11 -0600 (CST)
From: "Kevin Jay (Mr.Fabulous)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: <E36> rear axle woes continue
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Scenario is likely exactly what you describe.  And it certainly seems possible
the whole assembly heated itself together (I've been hearing this for awhile).  
I'm headed to the shop tomorrow AM to have a look myself.

http://www.ourwebpages.net/germanmotorcars/main.html

These folks seem to enjoy a decent reputation here in Tampa, & the bio on the
owner is pretty impressive.  So while I don't mean to accuse anybody of
screwing with me, I'm still out a sh*tload of cash.  H3ll, had I gone with an
initial plan to replace the axle/hub/arm outright, I could've pretty easily
done that in my driveway and saved $1K+.  Damn it.  (maybe I'll do the other
side that way)

I could source parts from someplace like Pelican too... but all along the
meter is running on my rental car... so a $hundred(s) saved on parts gets
eaten up there pretty quickly.

See, this is why I do my own work... when I can.  Agh.

- k

(apologies for the WOB, but I need to vent)


On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Paul Garnier wrote:
>
> The bearing R&R is a little tricky if you've never seen it done. Easy to
> mess up the hub if you've been hitting it wrong.
> Once the hub is messed and flowered out, it's time for a control arm.
> Considering they've been heating and banging on it, they've probably marred
> the arm and hub beyond return.
> It's hard to prove they messed it up, cause they always have the excuse that
> you ran too long on the bad bearing and annealed the race to the control
> arm.
> My indie shop/friend has never had one get the best of him, but he's had a
> bit of experience as well.
> 
> $1500 seems a bit stiff for parts, looks like he taking advantage of the
> opportunity to make a bit of $$ on the new parts. Can you blame him? He's in
> business to make $$.
> 
> See if he'll install parts that you supply. I have a few sources for used
> parts. The bearing you will want new of course.

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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:15:36 -0600
From: "Jon Siccardi - Treehouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: <E36> rear axle woes continue
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I find these scenarios just infuriating.  Being a shop owner, I have some 
control over it here, but hearing about it elsewhere just drives me insane. 
Take that car somewhere else ASAP. if not, tell me which trailing arm and 
I'll ship it in 12 hours.(tomorrow morning) to your shop.
OMG I can't stand it.

"waaaa waaaaa, I don't have the tools or the ability to read, waa waaaaa, 
Customer, you'll need to pay more!"

ahhhhhh!!!!

Jon
______________________________________________

Jon Siccardi - DM #053
TreehouseRacing.com
M50conversion.com
615.333.9118
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Jay (Mr.Fabulous)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [UUC] <E36> rear axle woes continue


>
> Scenario is likely exactly what you describe.  And it certainly seems 
> possible
> the whole assembly heated itself together (I've been hearing this for 
> awhile).
> I'm headed to the shop tomorrow AM to have a look myself.
>
> http://www.ourwebpages.net/germanmotorcars/main.html
>
> These folks seem to enjoy a decent reputation here in Tampa, & the bio on 
> the
> owner is pretty impressive.  So while I don't mean to accuse anybody of
> screwing with me, I'm still out a sh*tload of cash.  H3ll, had I gone with 
> an
> initial plan to replace the axle/hub/arm outright, I could've pretty 
> easily
> done that in my driveway and saved $1K+.  Damn it.  (maybe I'll do the 
> other
> side that way)
>
> I could source parts from someplace like Pelican too... but all along the
> meter is running on my rental car... so a $hundred(s) saved on parts gets
> eaten up there pretty quickly.
>
> See, this is why I do my own work... when I can.  Agh.
>
> - k
>
> (apologies for the WOB, but I need to vent)
>
>
> On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Paul Garnier wrote:
>>
>> The bearing R&R is a little tricky if you've never seen it done. Easy to
>> mess up the hub if you've been hitting it wrong.
>> Once the hub is messed and flowered out, it's time for a control arm.
>> Considering they've been heating and banging on it, they've probably 
>> marred
>> the arm and hub beyond return.
>> It's hard to prove they messed it up, cause they always have the excuse 
>> that
>> you ran too long on the bad bearing and annealed the race to the control
>> arm.
>> My indie shop/friend has never had one get the best of him, but he's had 
>> a
>> bit of experience as well.
>>
>> $1500 seems a bit stiff for parts, looks like he taking advantage of the
>> opportunity to make a bit of $$ on the new parts. Can you blame him? He's 
>> in
>> business to make $$.
>>
>> See if he'll install parts that you supply. I have a few sources for used
>> parts. The bearing you will want new of course.
> Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________
> In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA.
>
> UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate
> Short Shifter - accept no substitutes!
> 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com 


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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:18:59 -0500
From: KMS- Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: UUC Digest <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: <E36> rear axle woes continue
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Get it towed to a shop that has the right equipment.

Brett Anderson
KMS


Kevin Jay (Mr.Fabulous) wrote:
> So I take the car to this local guy today to R&R my LR wheel bearing.  No
> worries, right?  Dude just called to say he's been unable to separate the axle
> from the hub... and that the only option now is to replace the axle, hub, and
> trailing arm (I don't understand why the arm has to go).  Says he's tried
> heating it, banging on it, even destroyed a good puller.  His price WAG
> (dealer) for parts is $1500 (he hasn't called it in yet, he's waiting for me
> to tell him what to do).  Seems a bit high... I have to think this stuff is
> available for less from someplace like Pelican?  Geeezus, I don't have $2K
> just laying around to throw at this.  Not sure what to do.....
> 

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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 17:42:27 -0600
From: "Paul Garnier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'KMS- Brett Anderson'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
        "'UUC Digest'" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: <E36> rear axle woes continue
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Boy, that's a much shorter way of saying what I did! LOL

Paul Garnier
FastNetworking.com
281.827.0725


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KMS- Brett Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 5:19 PM
To: UUC Digest
Subject: Re: [UUC] <E36> rear axle woes continue

Get it towed to a shop that has the right equipment.

Brett Anderson
KMS


Kevin Jay (Mr.Fabulous) wrote:
> So I take the car to this local guy today to R&R my LR wheel bearing.  No
> worries, right?  Dude just called to say he's been unable to separate the
axle
> from the hub... and that the only option now is to replace the axle, hub,
and
> trailing arm (I don't understand why the arm has to go).  Says he's tried
> heating it, banging on it, even destroyed a good puller.  His price WAG
> (dealer) for parts is $1500 (he hasn't called it in yet, he's waiting for
me
> to tell him what to do).  Seems a bit high... I have to think this stuff
is
> available for less from someplace like Pelican?  Geeezus, I don't have $2K
> just laying around to throw at this.  Not sure what to do.....
> 
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__________________________________________________________________________
In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA.

UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate
Short Shifter - accept no substitutes!
908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com



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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 15:24:42 -0800
From: David Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Kevin Jay (Mr.Fabulous)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: <E36> rear axle woes continue
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

On Wednesday 12 December 2007 2:58:31 pm Kevin Jay (Mr.Fabulous) wrote:
>  Geeezus, I don't have $2K just laying around to throw at this.  Not sure
> what to do.....

Is this a BMW shop? I would seriously consider having the car transported to 
someone with more BMW experience if not...perhaps they are just not up to the 
task.

Dave


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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:59:37 -0500
From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: <E36> rear axle woes continue
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Kevin,

That translates to: "I've screwed up the job terribly and now you, the 
owner, have to bail me out . . . . "

Ed

Kevin Jay (Mr.Fabulous) wrote:
> So I take the car to this local guy today to R&R my LR wheel bearing.  No
> worries, right?  Dude just called to say he's been unable to separate the axle
> from the hub... and that the only option now is to replace the axle, hub, and
> trailing arm (I don't understand why the arm has to go).

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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:23:53 -0500
From: "Bailey Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: GM Automatic Maintenance
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Brett and Gary;
Thanks. I'm going to have my local dealer perform the trans service 
while I have the X3 in for some warranty work(passenger seat SRS 
sensor). I think I'll have them replace the final drive oil as well. Any 
recommendations on the transfer case fluid? I'm hoping to be able to run 
the truck out to 200K without any major expenses. Thanks again!
Bailey 


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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 19:24:54 -0700
From: "jchasd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'KMS- Brett Anderson'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
        "'uuc Digest'" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: GM Automatic Maintenance
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

A local shop says the fluid change is so expensive that by the time you do
it over the life of the trans, it's not worth it. This can't really make
sense, can it?

Chas
'83 633CSi
'85 528e
'01 740i Sport
'03 525i


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KMS- Brett Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, 11 December, 2007 20:08
To: uuc Digest
Subject: Re: [UUC] GM Automatic Maintenance


Change it now.  Make sure you get the correct fluid.

Brett Anderson
KMS


Bailey Taylor wrote:
> Sorry for the cross-post, but my wife's 2004 X3 has almost 60K on it
> and
> we want to keep it for at least five more years. I'm thinking that I
> should go ahead and change the ATF rather than wait until 100K as BMW
> recommends. Is that still the conventional wisdom? Thanks!
>
> Bailey
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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:47:33 -0500
From: KMS- Brett Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: jchasd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, uuc Digest <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: GM Automatic Maintenance
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Fluid change might hit $500.

Transmission is $4000

You tell me.

Brett Anderson
KMS


jchasd wrote:
> A local shop says the fluid change is so expensive that by the time you do
> it over the life of the trans, it's not worth it. This can't really make
> sense, can it?

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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:56:38 -0500
From: "Andy Messer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'jchasd'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: GM Automatic Maintenance
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Chas, 
I got the insanely expensive trans filter for the GM 5L40-E (used for ~6
months of production) from my local dealer, including CCA discount for
something like $95.  The ZF filters (again, dealer prices) were in the $35
range.
I also bought an unopened 20L jug from the dealer of the required Texaco ETL
8072 B fluid for ~ $6/L (w/discount).

Total for entire service, counting only the ~8L I used was about $150.  Add
~3 hours of shop time @ $100 if you don't do it yourself and you have $500
in a service.

Lose a transmission?  I'll guess in the $5k range.

Yeah, it's worth it.


I was already planning on doing the service, but I ended up doing it sooner
than I planned because I noted a bit of slippage when merging on the
interstate.  That was the most nervous 4 hour drive I've done.  Yes, I
slowed down.  80k and it was 2qts low.  Lifetime fill, my ass.

Andy
01 525iT


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jchasd
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 9:25 PM
To: 'KMS- Brett Anderson'; 'uuc Digest'
Subject: Re: [UUC] GM Automatic Maintenance

A local shop says the fluid change is so expensive that by the time you do
it over the life of the trans, it's not worth it. This can't really make
sense, can it?

Chas
'83 633CSi
'85 528e
'01 740i Sport
'03 525i


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KMS- Brett Anderson
Sent: Tuesday, 11 December, 2007 20:08
To: uuc Digest
Subject: Re: [UUC] GM Automatic Maintenance


Change it now.  Make sure you get the correct fluid.

Brett Anderson
KMS


Bailey Taylor wrote:
> Sorry for the cross-post, but my wife's 2004 X3 has almost 60K on it
> and
> we want to keep it for at least five more years. I'm thinking that I
> should go ahead and change the ATF rather than wait until 100K as BMW
> recommends. Is that still the conventional wisdom? Thanks!
>
> Bailey
Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]


__________________________________________________________________________
In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA.

UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short
Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com


Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]


__________________________________________________________________________
In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA.

UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate
Short Shifter - accept no substitutes!
908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com


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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 22:36:12 -0500 (EST)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [email protected] (bmw list)
Subject: e30 electrical gremlin
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

So, this morning I get in the car an notice that instead of the OBC showing
me the time, it has reverted to --:-- UHR. Ok, so it reset. Odd. Actually,
for this car it isn't that odd. The radio used to loose its memory
periodically until I reflowed all the ground joints inside. This is the
first time the OBC has lost its mind... so I reset the OBC and head off to
work. I glance over at the OBC and it has gone back to --:-- UHR. Ok...
As I was driving, I noticed that the tachometer would intermitently drop to
zero and the econometer would simultaneously swing all the way to the left.
This went on for a while and eventually the OBC reverted to no display (but
the backlight was still on), the tachometer sits at zero and the econometer
is inoperative. The fuel gauge, temperature gauge, and spedometer all
continued to work with no visible glitches. The engine never stumbled or did
anything out of the ordinary. The radio continued to work throughout the
shenanigans.

By the time I went home at the end of the day the radio still had its
memory, the OBC was back to --:-- UHR, and the tachometer and econometer
worked fine. Then the symptoms started up again, and by the time I got home
I had a blank OBC, inoperative tachometer and econometer. Again, the radio,
spedometer, fuel and temperature gauges all continued to work.

I took a look at the wiring diagrams and figured it had to be fuse 21. If I
lost fuse 10, I would have lost the spedometer. If I lost fuse 12, I would
have lost the radio. Fuse 21 is the memory backup for the SI board, OBC, and
radio. I swapped fuse 21, but it made no change.

I have heard that bad batteries on the SI board would take out the
tachometer, but would it reset the OBC? Maybe it is a loose connection...

Anyone run into this one? I am not going to be able to do much about it for
a while as I am going out of town soon, but I figured I would ask around a 
bit.

-- Joe

--
Joseph M. Krzeszewski                Network Operations and Security
[EMAIL PROTECTED]                            Worcester Polytechnic Institute

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