One clarification since it caused some private questions: On 07/07/2020 21:13, Michael Meeks wrote: > Collabora - despite C'bra still putting a lot of work into > LibreOffice Desktop, having an outstanding support capability, doing > lots of marketing, being the largest code contributor to LibreOffice, > and having lots of existing happy customers / references for desktop > LibreOffice, ... etc. etc. > > We have not had -one- -single- -new- Collabora *Office* > customer since 2018 - zero.
I think Thorsten stated more cleanly as: "The market for desktop libreoffice is tough; sales cycles frequently count in multiple years" which I agree with. Of course - we have also sold some seats of LibreOffice Vanilla for Mac in the app-store, which is desktop & has let us fix a number of Mac bugs. That's about 5% of C'bras income / expenditure. Some people kindly offered to buy some seats. Sadly the transaction cost (outside an app-store) of selling to an individual, or handful of users is very significant: sales time, invoicing, accounting, account setup, software setup, responding to tickets etc. makes this loss-making for less than several 10's of users or pre-paid multi-year commitments. > => so it makes no economic sense at all to invest in > -Desktop- Libreoffice you will never see a return. > > That is manageable - we are investing heavily in creating > Online and that is going well, and it funds our work on LibreOffice. And of course for us Collabora Online is the tip of the spear for investment & expected returns, with education being a key sector currently. We have a growing set of customers there. That as well as some intermittent consultancy pieces lets us work on improving lots of things in the LibreOffice core for our users. HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@collabora.com <><, GM Collabora Productivity Hangout: mejme...@gmail.com, Skype: mmeeks (M) +44 7795 666 147 - timezone usually UK / Europe -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: board-discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: https://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ Privacy Policy: https://www.documentfoundation.org/privacy