Terri,
Keyweb confused me quite a bit at first and I didn't think too much to it,
but then suddenly I got the hang of things and found (whilst I was without
my computer for several weeks) I just got sailing along, forgot about the
differences and managed to do what I wanted to do. I suggest you read the
chapter in the manual on Keyweb and then notice the various signs you come
across and where your cursor is placed, for example, in an edit box. I have
certainly managed to shop with it OK. I think you really just need to work
on the various commands and try them out on a few of the WEB pages you know
well.
HTH:
--
Carol
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From: "Terri Pannett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "BrailleNote List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 3:58 AM
Subject: [Braillenote] Keyweb and Internet Explorer
Dear List,
I have been using Keyweb for the past several days because I was not home
and I didn't have access to my PC. Most of the time, I surf the web using
my PC with Internet Explorer and WindowEyes for my screen reader. I'm not
the best web-surfer and I haven't had as much experience with Keyweb as
some
of you but I have noticed some differences.
1. The web pages load faster using Keyweb, but they look totally alien to
me. For one thing, the braille displays links, edit boxes, frames and
tables buttons and dialog boxes appear differently. I suppose this must
be
because HumanWare decided to use different symbols and abbreviations than
GW
Micro does. I suppose people who use the shark have learned yet another
set
of braille symbols and abbreviations. Although I think Keysoft is usually
intuitive, I find Keyweb not to be so intuitive with its symbols and
abbreviations. It's too bad there aren't a standard set of symbols and
abbreviations for all braille displays.
2. I don't know if it's just me, but I have noticed web pages on the PC
have more details than web pages on the BN. For example, let's take the
www.amazon site. I don't remember seeing a special link for screen
readers
when I looked at it using the BN, but the link jumped out at me when I
used
the PC. I also found it harder to search for an item using the BN than
using the PC.
3. The layout of the web pages seems different. On the BN, the text goes
across the line with lots of space between columns. I find this extra
space
to be annoying. But on the PC, the columns are laid out vertically and
the
lines are shorter. The BN occasionally gives details about the web page,
but WindowEyes always gives details like: "11 tables, x amout of rows, x
columns x frames and x headings and x subheadings." It also tells me when
I'm starting to look at a new table, but the BN doesn't. Since I can't
tell
where one table ends and the next begins, I can't jump from one table to
the
next.
4. If a site, like Google, has an edit box, WindowEyes will automatically
jump to the edit box but the BN always places me at the top of the page
and
I have to wade through the links to find the edit box. Also, when I go
back
and forth between web pages, WindowEyes remembers where I left off but the
BN doesn't.
5. This difference has been mentioned before, but I can't understand why
it
exists. I'm referring to the fact that Windows on my PC will remember my
username and password when I go to certain web sites but the BN won't.
Also, I'm more certain to have trouble typing in my username and password
and having the site recognize it when I use the BN. This is annoying,
especially when I want to use a "quickcheckout" or "1-click purchase" at
an
online store. In fact, I couldn't even checkout with one store--I had to
phone in my order. But previously, I had been able to set up an account
and
checkout using my PC. If I had had a PC at my location, I could have
placed
the order online.
6. The BN shows everything in one grade of braille. This is fine except
(1) when I'm looking at a URL or email address and (2) when I write in an
edit box. I can't even route the cursor to the computereze and see the
URL
or email address in computer braille like I can when I'm using Keymail.
WindowEyes, on the other hand, will always show anything under the cursor
to
be in computer braille. Is there a way to route the BN's cursor to an
item
without accessing a link?
Can someone explain why Keyweb and the BN behaves differently from the PC
and WindowEyes? Does it have to do with the platform, (Windows CE versus
Windows XP) and the methods of interpreting the web sites?
Thanks for any insight.
Terri, Amateur Radio call sign KF6CA. Army MARS call sign AAT9PX,
California
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