Not fixed yet, but hopeful… I figured your quest would have floated or blown away!
b > On Oct 12, 2016, at 16:32, herman dickens <hermandick...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Glad you got it fixed. I got the quest and have roasted about 12 batches. > Still have a ways to go.... > > On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 7:28 PM, Benjamin McCafferty <bmacpi...@me.com > <mailto:bmacpi...@me.com>> wrote: > May have this one solved. > > The p-stat question was already pretty much resolved, I just included that > for the next guy. Trying a Mater p-stat this time around, as it’s available > locally and pretty cheap. > > As to the running pump. Todd gave me a call (thanks as always, Todd!) and we > chatted about this. His three suggestions were to: > —Ground the sensor wire for the steam boiler when the pump was running and > see if it would stop the pump (did this, and it shut the pump down as > expected, so the controls are working; I also pulled the sensor rod out and > descaled/cleaned just to be sure it was conducting electricity easily) > > —Time how long it takes the pump to refill the boiler after dispensing a > given quantity of water, and compare that to a new machine (it took just over > 2 minutes, no matter what quantity of water I dispensed, and the machine > would run for just over 2 minutes each time I turned it off and back on, even > if the boiler was full—I’m thinking the control board may have a 2 minute > maximum to protect the pump, but that’s just a guess. It was consistently 2 > min and about 3-5 seconds) > > —Check for debris on the steam boiler side of the solenoid, i.e. something > clogging things and making it hard for the pump to fill the boiler (Being > lazy, I pulled the copper pipe that runs from the solenoid to the bottom of > the boiler to try to avoid having to disassemble everything to get at the > solenoid, in case it was just something right in the end of the pipe. > Wow—the adapter to the boiler was almost totally scaled shut, with just a > tiny pinhole still through it. I pulled the hot water pipe next, i.e. boiler > to hot water wand, and it was totally clear. So my hope is that I just need > to clean out the adapter and be back in business. Weird; last year when I > tore the machine down all the way, there was almost no scale anywhere after 7 > or more years and essentially no descaling along the way. Now, in about a > year, this adapter is nearly closed off.) > > Will keep you posted on the progress; pics attached if the list lets me. I’ll > stick a bore scope into the boiler to see how scale looks on the element > while I’m here. > best, > bmc > > Top/boiler side: > <IMG_2467.jpeg> > > > Bottom/tubing side: > <IMG_2468.JPG> > > >> On Oct 9, 2016, at 05:47, hermandick...@gmail.com >> <mailto:hermandick...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> If you replace the internals let me know what parts you used and how it >> goes. Mine is on a timer so it doesn't run at night. Mine has the vibe pump >> too. Right now my power is out from the hurricane and has been since >> yesterday afternoon. Not sure when I'll get power back so I probably won't >> check my emails again for a while. Hope you can track down the problem. >> Herman >> >> Sent from my android device. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Benjamin McCafferty <bmacpi...@me.com <mailto:bmacpi...@me.com>> >> To: brewtus@googlegroups.com <mailto:brewtus@googlegroups.com> >> Sent: Sat, 08 Oct 2016 7:40 PM >> Subject: Re: Pressurestat and run-on pump >> >> Hi again to all, >> >> No ideas on the running pump yet, but a couple of new thoughts I’ve had. >> —The drip tray is pretty full in the morning—I’ve never seen a single drip, >> but it seems it’s filling. Maybe a leak in the group that’s dripping out the >> bottom? Or the return pipe? >> —Since the pump is running with the lever down, I’m thinking this must be >> the steam boiler causing the problem, yes? In other words, the water level >> dropping, and pump refilling. >> >> Still clueless, but thinking I’ll replace the (original, 8 year old) >> internals in the group and see if that helps the situation. >> >> Any other ideas? Todd? >> >> best, >> bmc >> >>> On Sep 26, 2016, at 12:41, Benjamin McCafferty <bmacpi...@me.com >>> <mailto:bmacpi...@me.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Yeah, it failed at 90 days, which is sort of understandable but the >>> reaction I got was not cool. >>> >>> Ah well. We all have a bad day I guess. >>> >>> b >>> >>>> On Sep 26, 2016, at 12:40, herman dickens <hermandick...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:hermandick...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Don't blame you with the warranty issue. Part of it may have been the age >>>> of the part. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Benjamin McCafferty <bmacpi...@me.com >>>> <mailto:bmacpi...@me.com>> wrote: >>>> Could be. Maybe I’ll try again. I was as pissed about the lack of warranty >>>> as I was about the early failure. >>>> best, >>>> bmc >>>> >>>>> On Sep 26, 2016, at 12:13, herman dickens <hermandick...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:hermandick...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You should have better luck this time. I think they had a bad, or old, >>>>> batch and we both got unlucky. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Ben McCafferty <bmacpi...@me.com >>>>> <mailto:bmacpi...@me.com>> wrote: >>>>> Thanks Herman. Yes, that's a vacuum breaker, and unfortunately not the >>>>> cause of my moisture. I've heard the over pressure relief go off during >>>>> the day also, and never have moisture in the cups otherwise--my machine >>>>> comes on around 4:30 and I don't get to it until 6:30 or 7 so always dry. >>>>> >>>>> Good to know re jaeger, maybe I'll try one more. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> bmc >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 26, 2016, at 09:57, herman dickens <hermandick...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:hermandick...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ben I get the moisture in the cup thing for a few minutes every time my >>>>>> b II starts up but it goes away in a few minutes. It's coming from the >>>>>> valve in the top of the steam boiler that has the little o-ring in it. >>>>>> The valve opens when the steam pressure is down and then closes when it >>>>>> builds up. Every few years I have to replace that o-ring with one of the >>>>>> red ones and it works fine for another year or so. I have several if you >>>>>> need some. My steam issue is not from the opv. I'm guessing it's a >>>>>> vacuum breaker. I was having trouble with my pump not coming on last >>>>>> year and replaced the controller and it fixed it. Not sure if that's >>>>>> your issue but it may very well be. As to the pstat. I got another jager >>>>>> last year from Chris and it's been working fine. they had a new batch >>>>>> and both of ours that failed had old dates on them. Hope I helped. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Benjamin McCafferty <bmacpi...@me.com >>>>>> <mailto:bmacpi...@me.com>> wrote: >>>>>> Hey all, >>>>>> Hope you’ve had a good weekend! It seems this morning is an active day >>>>>> for the group, so might as well add my current issues with everyone >>>>>> else’s, and ask for the help of the braintrust. >>>>>> >>>>>> (B2, rotary/plumbed and PID conversions, about 8 years old I think) >>>>>> >>>>>> First, the easy one, mainly posting this for archives. I’ve noticed >>>>>> moisture in my back right cup on the warming tray a couple of times this >>>>>> past week, indicating the over pressure relief has opened on the steam >>>>>> boiler. Red flag. A couple of days ago, the steam boiler wouldn’t heat >>>>>> after dropping to .5 bar; I reversed the wires on the p-stat, but no >>>>>> love. Switched them back and it began to heat. My likely diagnosis is >>>>>> that it had stuck, and me fiddling with it caused it to un-stick, so the >>>>>> wire reversal didn’t yield anything. Working normally again now, but >>>>>> moisture on the cups again this morning, so it’s probably about to fail >>>>>> since it seems to be sticking in both positions. Sigh. About a year old, >>>>>> once again. So, do I buy another stock unit that fails quickly, or >>>>>> gamble another $60 on a Jaeger that will either last 5 years, or 90 >>>>>> days, and not be warrantied by Chris’ Coffee? Hmmm… >>>>>> >>>>>> The second problem is one I asked about a number of weeks back. The >>>>>> first symptom was that the pump would occasionally just start running, >>>>>> and continue for 60 seconds or more. This has mostly subsided, but now >>>>>> the pump will run waaaaaaaay to often, for just a second or two. At its >>>>>> worst, it will run every 30-60 seconds, for a few seconds each time. At >>>>>> minimum, it will run every few minutes. >>>>>> >>>>>> The only logical thing I can think of is that somehow the steam boiler >>>>>> is losing volume to a leak, and causing the pump to refill it. But, >>>>>> there are no leaks that I can find; no water under the machine, not even >>>>>> a steady drip from the group into the drip tray. Since I’m plumbed in, I >>>>>> also don’t think I’m pushing water backwards to the water line, but >>>>>> perhaps? My house pressure is about 50-60psi, so quite high. Since the >>>>>> steam boiler is set to about 1.5bar (about 22psi), it seems unlikely >>>>>> that this would be possible. >>>>>> >>>>>> I guess I did have one other idea, which was that the volume-adjustment >>>>>> rod/sensor (the one that inserts into the steam boiler, with a wire on >>>>>> top, to shut off the pump when water reaches it) might be scaled and so >>>>>> making a poor connection/ground. I doubt this, however, since I had >>>>>> basically no scale last year when everything was torn down, and I rarely >>>>>> de-scale the machine. So a year later I doubt this non-heating and >>>>>> highly polished piece has accumulated much scale, if any. >>>>>> >>>>>> Otherwise, all is working normally (except the p-stat of course). >>>>>> >>>>>> Any ideas? Is there a logic board that could be failing and causing this >>>>>> symptom? Last year, I replaced the giemme controller, the PID, the >>>>>> solenoid, temp probe, both high-limit switches, p-stat, etc. It seems >>>>>> unlikely that something electronic is the cause here, but perhaps. I did >>>>>> not replace the solid state relay, and have been told it rarely fails. >>>>>> But could it be the culprit? 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