Hi again to all, No ideas on the running pump yet, but a couple of new thoughts I’ve had. —The drip tray is pretty full in the morning—I’ve never seen a single drip, but it seems it’s filling. Maybe a leak in the group that’s dripping out the bottom? Or the return pipe? —Since the pump is running with the lever down, I’m thinking this must be the steam boiler causing the problem, yes? In other words, the water level dropping, and pump refilling.
Still clueless, but thinking I’ll replace the (original, 8 year old) internals in the group and see if that helps the situation. Any other ideas? Todd? best, bmc > On Sep 26, 2016, at 12:41, Benjamin McCafferty <[email protected]> wrote: > > Yeah, it failed at 90 days, which is sort of understandable but the reaction > I got was not cool. > > Ah well. We all have a bad day I guess. > > b > >> On Sep 26, 2016, at 12:40, herman dickens <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Don't blame you with the warranty issue. Part of it may have been the age of >> the part. >> >> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 3:37 PM, Benjamin McCafferty <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Could be. Maybe I’ll try again. I was as pissed about the lack of warranty >> as I was about the early failure. >> best, >> bmc >> >>> On Sep 26, 2016, at 12:13, herman dickens <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> You should have better luck this time. I think they had a bad, or old, >>> batch and we both got unlucky. >>> >>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 1:05 PM, Ben McCafferty <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> Thanks Herman. Yes, that's a vacuum breaker, and unfortunately not the >>> cause of my moisture. I've heard the over pressure relief go off during the >>> day also, and never have moisture in the cups otherwise--my machine comes >>> on around 4:30 and I don't get to it until 6:30 or 7 so always dry. >>> >>> Good to know re jaeger, maybe I'll try one more. >>> >>> Best, >>> bmc >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Sep 26, 2016, at 09:57, herman dickens <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>>> Ben I get the moisture in the cup thing for a few minutes every time my b >>>> II starts up but it goes away in a few minutes. It's coming from the valve >>>> in the top of the steam boiler that has the little o-ring in it. The valve >>>> opens when the steam pressure is down and then closes when it builds up. >>>> Every few years I have to replace that o-ring with one of the red ones and >>>> it works fine for another year or so. I have several if you need some. My >>>> steam issue is not from the opv. I'm guessing it's a vacuum breaker. I was >>>> having trouble with my pump not coming on last year and replaced the >>>> controller and it fixed it. Not sure if that's your issue but it may very >>>> well be. As to the pstat. I got another jager last year from Chris and >>>> it's been working fine. they had a new batch and both of ours that failed >>>> had old dates on them. Hope I helped. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2016 at 12:49 PM, Benjamin McCafferty <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> Hey all, >>>> Hope you’ve had a good weekend! It seems this morning is an active day for >>>> the group, so might as well add my current issues with everyone else’s, >>>> and ask for the help of the braintrust. >>>> >>>> (B2, rotary/plumbed and PID conversions, about 8 years old I think) >>>> >>>> First, the easy one, mainly posting this for archives. I’ve noticed >>>> moisture in my back right cup on the warming tray a couple of times this >>>> past week, indicating the over pressure relief has opened on the steam >>>> boiler. Red flag. A couple of days ago, the steam boiler wouldn’t heat >>>> after dropping to .5 bar; I reversed the wires on the p-stat, but no love. >>>> Switched them back and it began to heat. My likely diagnosis is that it >>>> had stuck, and me fiddling with it caused it to un-stick, so the wire >>>> reversal didn’t yield anything. Working normally again now, but moisture >>>> on the cups again this morning, so it’s probably about to fail since it >>>> seems to be sticking in both positions. Sigh. About a year old, once >>>> again. So, do I buy another stock unit that fails quickly, or gamble >>>> another $60 on a Jaeger that will either last 5 years, or 90 days, and not >>>> be warrantied by Chris’ Coffee? Hmmm… >>>> >>>> The second problem is one I asked about a number of weeks back. The first >>>> symptom was that the pump would occasionally just start running, and >>>> continue for 60 seconds or more. This has mostly subsided, but now the >>>> pump will run waaaaaaaay to often, for just a second or two. At its worst, >>>> it will run every 30-60 seconds, for a few seconds each time. At minimum, >>>> it will run every few minutes. >>>> >>>> The only logical thing I can think of is that somehow the steam boiler is >>>> losing volume to a leak, and causing the pump to refill it. But, there are >>>> no leaks that I can find; no water under the machine, not even a steady >>>> drip from the group into the drip tray. Since I’m plumbed in, I also don’t >>>> think I’m pushing water backwards to the water line, but perhaps? My house >>>> pressure is about 50-60psi, so quite high. Since the steam boiler is set >>>> to about 1.5bar (about 22psi), it seems unlikely that this would be >>>> possible. >>>> >>>> I guess I did have one other idea, which was that the volume-adjustment >>>> rod/sensor (the one that inserts into the steam boiler, with a wire on >>>> top, to shut off the pump when water reaches it) might be scaled and so >>>> making a poor connection/ground. I doubt this, however, since I had >>>> basically no scale last year when everything was torn down, and I rarely >>>> de-scale the machine. So a year later I doubt this non-heating and highly >>>> polished piece has accumulated much scale, if any. >>>> >>>> Otherwise, all is working normally (except the p-stat of course). >>>> >>>> Any ideas? Is there a logic board that could be failing and causing this >>>> symptom? Last year, I replaced the giemme controller, the PID, the >>>> solenoid, temp probe, both high-limit switches, p-stat, etc. It seems >>>> unlikely that something electronic is the cause here, but perhaps. I did >>>> not replace the solid state relay, and have been told it rarely fails. But >>>> could it be the culprit? 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