Thanks for that beta! Good info to take into consideration. The ask is $950 but, assuming the worst, I wouldn’t want to pay much more than $600-700.
She also has some back up bits and parts, prepared for the end of the line for the brand. I gather these are no longer made and parts are harder to find than for an old Quick Mill, for example?? > On May 1, 2023, at 1:32 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hey there Peter, > I think you have some unknowns here, and the bottom line is: what discount > are you getting, how willing are you to replace/repair parts, and as Pitcher > said how handy are you? > > I owned a B2 from new for 12 years or so (still have it, no longer in > service), and now have an ECM (another E61 machine, very similar). At 8 > years, you are definitely into the phase where you will be replacing things > and I feel that’s to be expected. As to the lack of descaling, that may or > may not be an issue—where I live, I rarely descaled my brewtus and didn’t > have any buildup to mention. Definitely not the case in all areas. As an > aside, I’ve been using the BWT system (WLL carries it) for maybe 6 years now > and it is money well spent. No more descaling is their claim, it’s been true > for me (I live in a different area now than I did with the B2 that didn’t > scale, harder water here). > > If it were me, I’d consider the following parts likely to need replacing > relatively soon: > —both boiler elements > —overheat sensors on top of both boilers > —pressurestat > —vibe pump if it’s a vibe machine and possibly solenoid/plunger > —miscellaneous copper and silicon tubing, esp the copper tubing to the hot > water boiler which is prone to clogging shut > —seals for the E61 group > —vacuum breaker for the steam boiler (this can be repaired with a simple > o-ring, instead of buying the whole part from a vendor—I have a bag of 100 > high temp/food grade and happy to send you one or more). > —E61 portafilter gasket and screen > > Less likely but possible: > —PID > —Giemme control box > —over pressure relief valve on the steam boiler > —seals for the wands > > So if you add those up, and they are less than the discount you’re getting on > the machine vs. new (and you like to work on machines), I’d say go for it! In > any case, you will know the machine well, and since you’ll be doing future > maintenance on any machine, it’s good knowledge to have. Meanwhile, I’d just > get the machine and use it, fix the leak, and then be pleasantly surprised > (and money ahead) for the time that you don’t need to do the things I > mentioned above. ;) > > As to Pitcher’s comment about his machine leaking since new, that is not > normal in my experience. I can’t recall a leak in mine ever, unless a line > blew or something like that. You should be able to chase that down and fix > it, I hope you can too Pitcher! Water under the machine is one of those > things that drains my energy fast—just annoys the crap out of me I guess! > > One tip/suggestion—Expobar uses a liquid sealant on threads. It works great, > but it sets up FAST. You have to be really quick to get things aligned, etc., > especially on the pump assembly. I have always used yellow teflon tape > instead (you could add teflon paste over the tape if you wish) and have never > had a leak that I can recall. Just might save you a little headache/heartburn. > > Best and good luck with the decision and/or new machine! > > b > >> On May 1, 2023, at 12:08, peter riess <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Thanks for the reply. From her description the dripping is coming from a >> spot under one of the boilers. I assume it was build for the states. My >> biggest concern I guess is the maintenance over the last 8 yrs... >> >>> On May 1, 2023, at 12:58 PM, Pitcher Pitcher <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> I do not think the dripping is a sign of something major. Mine is 15 years >>> old and it drips since I have owned it. I would have to see where it is >>> dripping from to give you a better idea. There are some things to consider >>> if you are going to purchase. How handy are you? Some things I would >>> recommend doing to your machine to make it more hardy. Is the machine for >>> the States or Overseas? The machine was built for 220 v 10 amps. The States >>> where I live are 120 v 20 amps. The extra amps over time has caused some >>> problems. >>> >>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 10:46 AM peter riess <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> Seller claims she bought it new from WLL. Works well bur apparently it >>>> drips a small amount of discolored water as it warms up. Collects on >>>> counter under machine. She's never descaled it for the 8+/- yrs she's >>>> owned it. I am not sure about her water quality but she has it on a >>>> filter. >>>> >>>> Does the dripping raise a hairy red flag?? >>>> >>>> Thanks for any feedback! >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "Brewtus" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/42ebc17c-56b2-4ddd-893e-107e0b924ffbn%40googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/42ebc17c-56b2-4ddd-893e-107e0b924ffbn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "Pitcher" >>> Stephen Pitcher >>> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >>> 225-408-9041 >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Brewtus" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/CACn%2BS8Fx2sED_Qdsyb0m%3D4z9aogMewzBDjKf_e9vz3eEGULamQ%40mail.gmail.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/CACn%2BS8Fx2sED_Qdsyb0m%3D4z9aogMewzBDjKf_e9vz3eEGULamQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Brewtus" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/3508BEAD-4CA1-4958-A4B5-BFACB47BFF7C%40gmail.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/3508BEAD-4CA1-4958-A4B5-BFACB47BFF7C%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google > Groups "Brewtus" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/brewtus/AdQF0ugls1E/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/EBEAEE7C-6F5D-4F15-A2C3-93AE97345AAA%40me.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/EBEAEE7C-6F5D-4F15-A2C3-93AE97345AAA%40me.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Brewtus" group. 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