Sounds like my old hot tub… Thanks to it, I could probably have a part time tub repair job!
Anyway, thanks again. I’ll see if I can get it to a dollar point where it feels like a fun hobby, not a money pit. > On May 1, 2023, at 2:43 PM, Adam Meade <[email protected]> wrote: > > When I got my IV-Rotary, I stuck the hose in a jug of water for a few months > until I was able to plumb it in. No issues there. When I did plumb it, my > water pressure was too high causing a leak in the machine so I had to add a > pressure regulator upstream from it. > > I'll echo what others have said... you'd best be handy to own this machine. > In the 6 or so years I have owned it, I've replaced several parts including a > control board, a heating element, a sensor, and for whatever reason I am > averaging going through about two pressurestat per year (I buy them in bulk > now). If you enjoy learning about these machines and don't mind working on > them, then go for it, but if you don't, then steer clear. On the upside, > this group is extremely helpful as has been Whole Latte Love tech support. > > For heat up time, mine is about 8-10 minutes for the steam boiler followed by > about 10 for the brew boiler. > > > On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 4:32 PM Jason Scott <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Hmmm, others will have to chime in on whether or not you can just stick a >> hose into a water vessel. I tend to think that the rotary pump needs a >> minimum water pressure to function, but I could be wrong there. >> 35 minutes is more than enough time to heat up. >> >> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 3:19:34 PM UTC-5 peter riess wrote: >>> The Brewtus Crew is awesome, thanks all. Good to hear this as well. I’m >>> currently using a GCP so this would be a big upgrade. Maybe a huge time >>> suck as well.. >>> >>> Is 35min accurate for heat up time? >>> >>> Any thoughts on plumbing vs dropping the tube into a big ol jug of good >>> H2O. Plumbing would entail splitting my the icemachine line and figuring >>> out an inline filter and some holes in counters, walls, etc. >>> >>> >>>> On May 1, 2023, at 2:09 PM, Jason Scott <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> They're no longer made, but the parts are all pretty universal (heating >>>> elements, steam/water controls, pstat, etc.) I think I'd be right there >>>> with you on the price. I would LIKELY pass on a leaking machine at $950, >>>> but would likely jump on it at $600-$700. The plumbed rotary IV version is >>>> quite a nice machine. My biggest gripe (which is a common one) is the lack >>>> of steam power, but there are ways to improve that with different >>>> tips/wands. I chose a higher-wattage steam element, and if the elements >>>> are due for replacement anyway, this is an option (but not a trivial >>>> option, as it does involve replacing wiring that's not intended for higher >>>> current). >>>> >>>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 2:51:19 PM UTC-5 peter riess wrote: >>>>> Thanks for that beta! Good info to take into consideration. The ask is >>>>> $950 but, assuming the worst, I wouldn’t want to pay much more than >>>>> $600-700. >>>>> >>>>> She also has some back up bits and parts, prepared for the end of the >>>>> line for the brand. I gather these are no longer made and parts are >>>>> harder to find than for an old Quick Mill, for example?? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 1:32 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>>> <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hey there Peter, >>>>>> I think you have some unknowns here, and the bottom line is: what >>>>>> discount are you getting, how willing are you to replace/repair parts, >>>>>> and as Pitcher said how handy are you? >>>>>> >>>>>> I owned a B2 from new for 12 years or so (still have it, no longer in >>>>>> service), and now have an ECM (another E61 machine, very similar). At 8 >>>>>> years, you are definitely into the phase where you will be replacing >>>>>> things and I feel that’s to be expected. As to the lack of descaling, >>>>>> that may or may not be an issue—where I live, I rarely descaled my >>>>>> brewtus and didn’t have any buildup to mention. Definitely not the case >>>>>> in all areas. As an aside, I’ve been using the BWT system (WLL carries >>>>>> it) for maybe 6 years now and it is money well spent. No more descaling >>>>>> is their claim, it’s been true for me (I live in a different area now >>>>>> than I did with the B2 that didn’t scale, harder water here). >>>>>> >>>>>> If it were me, I’d consider the following parts likely to need replacing >>>>>> relatively soon: >>>>>> —both boiler elements >>>>>> —overheat sensors on top of both boilers >>>>>> —pressurestat >>>>>> —vibe pump if it’s a vibe machine and possibly solenoid/plunger >>>>>> —miscellaneous copper and silicon tubing, esp the copper tubing to the >>>>>> hot water boiler which is prone to clogging shut >>>>>> —seals for the E61 group >>>>>> —vacuum breaker for the steam boiler (this can be repaired with a simple >>>>>> o-ring, instead of buying the whole part from a vendor—I have a bag of >>>>>> 100 high temp/food grade and happy to send you one or more). >>>>>> —E61 portafilter gasket and screen >>>>>> >>>>>> Less likely but possible: >>>>>> —PID >>>>>> —Giemme control box >>>>>> —over pressure relief valve on the steam boiler >>>>>> —seals for the wands >>>>>> >>>>>> So if you add those up, and they are less than the discount you’re >>>>>> getting on the machine vs. new (and you like to work on machines), I’d >>>>>> say go for it! In any case, you will know the machine well, and since >>>>>> you’ll be doing future maintenance on any machine, it’s good knowledge >>>>>> to have. Meanwhile, I’d just get the machine and use it, fix the leak, >>>>>> and then be pleasantly surprised (and money ahead) for the time that you >>>>>> don’t need to do the things I mentioned above. ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> As to Pitcher’s comment about his machine leaking since new, that is not >>>>>> normal in my experience. I can’t recall a leak in mine ever, unless a >>>>>> line blew or something like that. You should be able to chase that down >>>>>> and fix it, I hope you can too Pitcher! Water under the machine is one >>>>>> of those things that drains my energy fast—just annoys the crap out of >>>>>> me I guess! >>>>>> >>>>>> One tip/suggestion—Expobar uses a liquid sealant on threads. It works >>>>>> great, but it sets up FAST. You have to be really quick to get things >>>>>> aligned, etc., especially on the pump assembly. I have always used >>>>>> yellow teflon tape instead (you could add teflon paste over the tape if >>>>>> you wish) and have never had a leak that I can recall. Just might save >>>>>> you a little headache/heartburn. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best and good luck with the decision and/or new machine! >>>>>> >>>>>> b >>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 12:08, peter riess <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the reply. From her description the dripping is coming from >>>>>>> a spot under one of the boilers. I assume it was build for the states. >>>>>>> My biggest concern I guess is the maintenance over the last 8 yrs... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 12:58 PM, Pitcher Pitcher <[email protected] <>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I do not think the dripping is a sign of something major. Mine is 15 >>>>>>>> years old and it drips since I have owned it. I would have to see >>>>>>>> where it is dripping from to give you a better idea. There are some >>>>>>>> things to consider if you are going to purchase. How handy are you? >>>>>>>> Some things I would recommend doing to your machine to make it more >>>>>>>> hardy. Is the machine for the States or Overseas? The machine was >>>>>>>> built for 220 v 10 amps. The States where I live are 120 v 20 amps. >>>>>>>> The extra amps over time has caused some problems. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 10:46 AM peter riess <[email protected] <>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Seller claims she bought it new from WLL. Works well bur apparently >>>>>>>>> it drips a small amount of discolored water as it warms up. Collects >>>>>>>>> on counter under machine. She's never descaled it for the 8+/- yrs >>>>>>>>> she's owned it. I am not sure about her water quality but she has it >>>>>>>>> on a filter. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Does the dripping raise a hairy red flag?? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for any feedback! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "Brewtus" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected] <>. >>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/42ebc17c-56b2-4ddd-893e-107e0b924ffbn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/42ebc17c-56b2-4ddd-893e-107e0b924ffbn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> "Pitcher" >>>>>>>> Stephen Pitcher >>>>>>>> [email protected] <> >>>>>>>> 225-408-9041 <tel:(225)%20408-9041> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "Brewtus" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>>> an email to [email protected] <>. >>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/CACn%2BS8Fx2sED_Qdsyb0m%3D4z9aogMewzBDjKf_e9vz3eEGULamQ%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/CACn%2BS8Fx2sED_Qdsyb0m%3D4z9aogMewzBDjKf_e9vz3eEGULamQ%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "Brewtus" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>>>> an email to [email protected] <>. >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/3508BEAD-4CA1-4958-A4B5-BFACB47BFF7C%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/3508BEAD-4CA1-4958-A4B5-BFACB47BFF7C%40gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>>>>> Google Groups "Brewtus" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/brewtus/AdQF0ugls1E/unsubscribe. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>>>> [email protected] <>. >>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/EBEAEE7C-6F5D-4F15-A2C3-93AE97345AAA%40me.com >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/EBEAEE7C-6F5D-4F15-A2C3-93AE97345AAA%40me.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "Brewtus" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>>> email to [email protected] <>. >>> >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/5fbe977b-dd4e-4909-ad28-64e1f836af7cn%40googlegroups.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/5fbe977b-dd4e-4909-ad28-64e1f836af7cn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Brewtus" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/a9d81081-951c-44df-821b-3209e5402a01n%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/a9d81081-951c-44df-821b-3209e5402a01n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Brewtus" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/CAOJZtCL131o8ZqdaB7kBvc2%3DXftpAotYMjf8f4wZt3CUnd8MEA%40mail.gmail.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/CAOJZtCL131o8ZqdaB7kBvc2%3DXftpAotYMjf8f4wZt3CUnd8MEA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Brewtus" group. 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