When I got my IV-Rotary, I stuck the hose in a jug of water for a few months until I was able to plumb it in. No issues there. When I did plumb it, my water pressure was too high causing a leak in the machine so I had to add a pressure regulator upstream from it.
I'll echo what others have said... you'd best be handy to own this machine. In the 6 or so years I have owned it, I've replaced several parts including a control board, a heating element, a sensor, and for whatever reason I am averaging going through about two pressurestat per year (I buy them in bulk now). If you enjoy learning about these machines and don't mind working on them, then go for it, but if you don't, then steer clear. On the upside, this group is extremely helpful as has been Whole Latte Love tech support. For heat up time, mine is about 8-10 minutes for the steam boiler followed by about 10 for the brew boiler. On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 4:32 PM Jason Scott <[email protected]> wrote: > Hmmm, others will have to chime in on whether or not you can just stick a > hose into a water vessel. I tend to think that the rotary pump needs a > minimum water pressure to function, but I could be wrong there. > 35 minutes is more than enough time to heat up. > > On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 3:19:34 PM UTC-5 peter riess wrote: > >> The Brewtus Crew is awesome, thanks all. Good to hear this as well. I’m >> currently using a GCP so this would be a big upgrade. Maybe a huge time >> suck as well.. >> >> Is 35min accurate for heat up time? >> >> Any thoughts on plumbing vs dropping the tube into a big ol jug of good >> H2O. Plumbing would entail splitting my the icemachine line and figuring >> out an inline filter and some holes in counters, walls, etc. >> >> On May 1, 2023, at 2:09 PM, Jason Scott <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> They're no longer made, but the parts are all pretty universal (heating >> elements, steam/water controls, pstat, etc.) I think I'd be right there >> with you on the price. I would LIKELY pass on a leaking machine at $950, >> but would likely jump on it at $600-$700. The plumbed rotary IV version is >> quite a nice machine. My biggest gripe (which is a common one) is the lack >> of steam power, but there are ways to improve that with different >> tips/wands. I chose a higher-wattage steam element, and if the elements are >> due for replacement anyway, this is an option (but not a trivial option, as >> it does involve replacing wiring that's not intended for higher current). >> >> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 2:51:19 PM UTC-5 peter riess wrote: >> >>> Thanks for that beta! Good info to take into consideration. The ask is >>> $950 but, assuming the worst, I wouldn’t want to pay much more than >>> $600-700. >>> >>> She also has some back up bits and parts, prepared for the end of the >>> line for the brand. I gather these are no longer made and parts are harder >>> to find than for an old Quick Mill, for example?? >>> >>> On May 1, 2023, at 1:32 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hey there Peter, >>> I think you have some unknowns here, and the bottom line is: what >>> discount are you getting, how willing are you to replace/repair parts, and >>> as Pitcher said how handy are you? >>> >>> I owned a B2 from new for 12 years or so (still have it, no longer in >>> service), and now have an ECM (another E61 machine, very similar). At 8 >>> years, you are definitely into the phase where you will be replacing things >>> and I feel that’s to be expected. As to the lack of descaling, that may or >>> may not be an issue—where I live, I rarely descaled my brewtus and didn’t >>> have any buildup to mention. Definitely not the case in all areas. As an >>> aside, I’ve been using the BWT system (WLL carries it) for maybe 6 years >>> now and it is money well spent. No more descaling is their claim, it’s been >>> true for me (I live in a different area now than I did with the B2 that >>> didn’t scale, harder water here). >>> >>> If it were me, I’d consider the following parts likely to need replacing >>> relatively soon: >>> —both boiler elements >>> —overheat sensors on top of both boilers >>> —pressurestat >>> —vibe pump if it’s a vibe machine and possibly solenoid/plunger >>> —miscellaneous copper and silicon tubing, esp the copper tubing to the >>> hot water boiler which is prone to clogging shut >>> —seals for the E61 group >>> —vacuum breaker for the steam boiler (this can be repaired with a simple >>> o-ring, instead of buying the whole part from a vendor—I have a bag of 100 >>> high temp/food grade and happy to send you one or more). >>> —E61 portafilter gasket and screen >>> >>> Less likely but possible: >>> —PID >>> —Giemme control box >>> —over pressure relief valve on the steam boiler >>> —seals for the wands >>> >>> So if you add those up, and they are less than the discount you’re >>> getting on the machine vs. new (and you like to work on machines), I’d say >>> go for it! In any case, you will know the machine well, and since you’ll be >>> doing future maintenance on any machine, it’s good knowledge to have. >>> Meanwhile, I’d just get the machine and use it, fix the leak, and then be >>> pleasantly surprised (and money ahead) for the time that you don’t need to >>> do the things I mentioned above. ;) >>> >>> As to Pitcher’s comment about his machine leaking since new, that is not >>> normal in my experience. I can’t recall a leak in mine ever, unless a line >>> blew or something like that. You should be able to chase that down and fix >>> it, I hope you can too Pitcher! Water under the machine is one of those >>> things that drains my energy fast—just annoys the crap out of me I guess! >>> >>> One tip/suggestion—Expobar uses a liquid sealant on threads. It works >>> great, but it sets up FAST. You have to be really quick to get things >>> aligned, etc., especially on the pump assembly. I have always used yellow >>> teflon tape instead (you could add teflon paste over the tape if you wish) >>> and have never had a leak that I can recall. Just might save you a little >>> headache/heartburn. >>> >>> Best and good luck with the decision and/or new machine! >>> >>> b >>> >>> On May 1, 2023, at 12:08, peter riess <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for the reply. From her description the dripping is coming from a >>> spot under one of the boilers. I assume it was build for the states. My >>> biggest concern I guess is the maintenance over the last 8 yrs... >>> >>> On May 1, 2023, at 12:58 PM, Pitcher Pitcher <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>> I do not think the dripping is a sign of something major. Mine is 15 >>> years old and it drips since I have owned it. I would have to see where it >>> is dripping from to give you a better idea. There are some things to >>> consider if you are going to purchase. How handy are you? Some things I >>> would recommend doing to your machine to make it more hardy. Is the machine >>> for the States or Overseas? The machine was built for 220 v 10 amps. The >>> States where I live are 120 v 20 amps. The extra amps over time has caused >>> some problems. >>> >>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 10:46 AM peter riess <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Seller claims she bought it new from WLL. Works well bur apparently it >>>> drips a small amount of discolored water as it warms up. Collects on >>>> counter under machine. She's never descaled it for the 8+/- yrs she's owned >>>> it. 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