“A little mirror can be helpful” Love auto-correct sometimes… b > On May 4, 2023, at 08:12, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Just a guess— the vacuum breaker on the steam boiler will always vent some > steam before it’s sealed shut during the warm-up cycle. On my new machine, > that steam is directed into a piece of tubing that goes into the drip tray. > On my B2, it just went into the case and so if it was used with hard water, I > would expect some white mineral would form on the inside. Perhaps that? > Again, doesn’t really concern me, but could be a leak of clean water? I agree > with your idea to power the machine on and let it come to full temperature > and leave it that way maybe even for 24 hours. Cycling water through the > various things, water wand, brew group, steam wand, etc. I would do all that > with the case open and be careful not to shock yourself. A great starting > point to see if you have other leaks and so forth. A little little can be > helpful. > b > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 4, 2023, at 08:09, peter riess <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Ben, >> >> Glad to hear! I’ve only been learning about the internals from old videos >> done on the brand new units so this was a little shocking. >> >> I think before I start on the renovation I should fire it up and see what >> else might be going on. How about the white powder that has accumulated on >> the boiler? >> >> Thanks for the words of encouragement! >> >> Peter >> >>> On May 4, 2023, at 8:11 AM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Hey there Peter! >>> Saw all the pics yesterday as well, none of it scares me very much. I was >>> going to comment that you’ve found your leak when I saw the brown stains >>> under the boiler! >>> >>> The E61 internals don’t look bad to me, and much of that will be replaced >>> anyway. It should clean up well. >>> >>> The factory wiring looks really good actually—I’m guessing this machine >>> hasn’t been on very much each day. Mine is on from about 5AM to noon, and >>> all the white shields on the female plugs became brittle and broke off >>> after a number of years. >>> >>> $500 was a good price I think! >>> >>> As to the pressure, I don’t think my B2 (nor my current ECM) ever returns >>> to zero—that also doesn’t strike me as odd. >>> >>> I think when you get the old insulation pulled and start cleaning things >>> up, you will be pleasantly surprised. It’s like a barn find for an old moto! >>> >>> Best, >>> b >>> >>> >>> >>>> On May 3, 2023, at 20:54, peter riess <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> <IMG_3625.jpeg> >>>> The water supply. This must be 3/8 BSA? >>>> >>>> <IMG_3622.jpeg> >>>> >>>> This is the pipe from the boiler to the brewgroup. Might be the source of >>>> the leak? >>>> >>>> <IMG_3618.jpeg> >>>> >>>> Is the normal looking wear and tear? >>>> >>>> <IMG_3617.jpeg> >>>> >>>> Shouldn’t the pressure be at zero, not at 2? Machine is unplugged. >>>> >>>> Thanks for taking a look and sharing any thoughts! >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>>>> On May 3, 2023, at 9:02 PM, peter riess <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I picked up the machine and opened her up. Looks like a project! A few >>>>> wiring issues, some old heat baked components, and some scary looking >>>>> white buildup on the boiler. >>>>> Only paid $500 in the end... >>>>> >>>>> Attached are some images. >>>>> <D3659062-D4ED-498B-9C2A-5A6AB728CB10_1_102_o.jpeg><46B97167-CEC5-490A-ADD0-379CB408F3B1_1_102_o.jpeg><2DC417DD-D99C-43DB-8829-8B674DA9E83B_1_102_o.jpeg><C52FDF04-C00A-479F-BE90-E6738354ADFB_1_102_o.jpeg> >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 8:00:10 PM UTC-6 Ben McCafferty wrote: >>>>> Heck yeah! >>>>> b >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 17:25, peter riess <[email protected] >>>>>> <applewebdata://583B1DF9-C2E0-443E-B5CC-D2FA4C27EF14>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Update - It’s been on a filtration system since it was purchased and it >>>>>> comes with a back stock of replacement parts. I feel pretty confident >>>>>> and at $600, maybe worth the future trouble? >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 5:34 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>> <applewebdata://583B1DF9-C2E0-443E-B5CC-D2FA4C27EF14>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ps one way you can do This is just to go ahead and replace everything >>>>>>> that can fail. Then you basically get a new machine with your own labor >>>>>>> to blame for any failures, ha ha. That would definitely get you a >>>>>>> period of reliability, but possibly with unnecessary expense up front. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> b >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 16:16, peter riess <[email protected] >>>>>>>> <applewebdata://583B1DF9-C2E0-443E-B5CC-D2FA4C27EF14>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ben, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Every few months? That may be more that I can stand… $700 is sounding >>>>>>>> expensive at that rate. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I wonder how much time and money do you think Expobar owners are >>>>>>>> spending on annual maintenance? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Peter >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 5:02 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>>>> <applewebdata://583B1DF9-C2E0-443E-B5CC-D2FA4C27EF14>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A bunch of great advice here. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Plumbed/vs water jug. Soooooo nice to have it plumbed. Even nicer to >>>>>>>>> have the drain plumbed. Having done both with my current machine, I’d >>>>>>>>> never go back. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pitcher’s advice re: bigger heating element is good; you can also >>>>>>>>> adjust the pressure stat to set the steam boiler to its max, around >>>>>>>>> 1.45 bar if memory serves. This made a world of difference for me vs. >>>>>>>>> stock settings. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As to the multiple failed p-stats per year (that is quite exceptional >>>>>>>>> Adam!), I don’t recall the brand but we used to discuss switching to >>>>>>>>> a non-stock model that was available at Chris’ Coffee and maybe >>>>>>>>> Espresso Parts. It was great (Jaeger maybe?). Search my old posts and >>>>>>>>> you’ll find it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Heat time—half hour is about right, to really get the group head up >>>>>>>>> to temp (which is the strength of this machine’s design, as is the >>>>>>>>> case with all E61’s). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Price—$700 max sounds reasonable. You could always mention this group >>>>>>>>> and the consensus here? By about 10 years of age, I was working on my >>>>>>>>> machine every few months, and after about 2 more years of that, went >>>>>>>>> with the ECM instead. Holy crap have they gotten expensive though! >>>>>>>>> The ECM likes to eat vacuum breakers, and also they have a silicon >>>>>>>>> tube that goes from the vacuum breaker to the drip tray (a nice >>>>>>>>> touch, keeps the steam condensation out of the housing). That tubing >>>>>>>>> rots regularly also. I’ve done one element, very easy replacement >>>>>>>>> method. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> By the by, I mentioned using teflon tape instead of the liquid >>>>>>>>> sealant. Another plus there—you’ll get to know the joy of removing a >>>>>>>>> heating element from a Brewtus if it’s glued in with the factory >>>>>>>>> sealant—definitely need a friend with an impact hammer and a way to >>>>>>>>> clamp the boiler in a vise without bending it. With teflon tape, the >>>>>>>>> remove/replace is worlds easier. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Rotary and PID were great (I upgraded to both on my B2)—the vibe pump >>>>>>>>> was a regular replacement item also; the rotary never needed work >>>>>>>>> other than setting the pressure when I installed it. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Backflush weekly with cafiza—and let it soak in there for an hour >>>>>>>>> under pressure if you can! It will keep your shots really nice. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best of luck, keep us posted! >>>>>>>>> b >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 13:56, peter riess <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> <applewebdata://583B1DF9-C2E0-443E-B5CC-D2FA4C27EF14>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sounds like my old hot tub… Thanks to it, I could probably have a >>>>>>>>>> part time tub repair job! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Anyway, thanks again. I’ll see if I can get it to a dollar point >>>>>>>>>> where it feels like a fun hobby, not a money pit. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 2:43 PM, Adam Meade <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> <applewebdata://583B1DF9-C2E0-443E-B5CC-D2FA4C27EF14>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> When I got my IV-Rotary, I stuck the hose in a jug of water for a >>>>>>>>>>> few months until I was able to plumb it in. No issues there. When >>>>>>>>>>> I did plumb it, my water pressure was too high causing a leak in >>>>>>>>>>> the machine so I had to add a pressure regulator upstream from it. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I'll echo what others have said... you'd best be handy to own this >>>>>>>>>>> machine. In the 6 or so years I have owned it, I've replaced >>>>>>>>>>> several parts including a control board, a heating element, a >>>>>>>>>>> sensor, and for whatever reason I am averaging going through about >>>>>>>>>>> two pressurestat per year (I buy them in bulk now). If you enjoy >>>>>>>>>>> learning about these machines and don't mind working on them, then >>>>>>>>>>> go for it, but if you don't, then steer clear. On the upside, >>>>>>>>>>> this group is extremely helpful as has been Whole Latte Love tech >>>>>>>>>>> support. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> For heat up time, mine is about 8-10 minutes for the steam boiler >>>>>>>>>>> followed by about 10 for the brew boiler. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 4:32 PM Jason Scott <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> <applewebdata://583B1DF9-C2E0-443E-B5CC-D2FA4C27EF14>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm, others will have to chime in on whether or not you can just >>>>>>>>>>> stick a hose into a water vessel. I tend to think that the rotary >>>>>>>>>>> pump needs a minimum water pressure to function, but I could be >>>>>>>>>>> wrong there. >>>>>>>>>>> 35 minutes is more than enough time to heat up. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 3:19:34 PM UTC-5 peter riess wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> The Brewtus Crew is awesome, thanks all. Good to hear this as well. >>>>>>>>>>> I’m currently using a GCP so this would be a big upgrade. Maybe a >>>>>>>>>>> huge time suck as well.. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Is 35min accurate for heat up time? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Any thoughts on plumbing vs dropping the tube into a big ol jug of >>>>>>>>>>> good H2O. Plumbing would entail splitting my the icemachine line >>>>>>>>>>> and figuring out an inline filter and some holes in counters, >>>>>>>>>>> walls, etc. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 2:09 PM, Jason Scott <jason....@ <>gmail.com >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://gmail.com/>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> They're no longer made, but the parts are all pretty universal >>>>>>>>>>>> (heating elements, steam/water controls, pstat, etc.) I think I'd >>>>>>>>>>>> be right there with you on the price. I would LIKELY pass on a >>>>>>>>>>>> leaking machine at $950, but would likely jump on it at $600-$700. >>>>>>>>>>>> The plumbed rotary IV version is quite a nice machine. My biggest >>>>>>>>>>>> gripe (which is a common one) is the lack of steam power, but >>>>>>>>>>>> there are ways to improve that with different tips/wands. I chose >>>>>>>>>>>> a higher-wattage steam element, and if the elements are due for >>>>>>>>>>>> replacement anyway, this is an option (but not a trivial option, >>>>>>>>>>>> as it does involve replacing wiring that's not intended for higher >>>>>>>>>>>> current). >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 2:51:19 PM UTC-5 peter riess wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for that beta! Good info to take into consideration. The >>>>>>>>>>>> ask is $950 but, assuming the worst, I wouldn’t want to pay much >>>>>>>>>>>> more than $600-700. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> She also has some back up bits and parts, prepared for the end of >>>>>>>>>>>> the line for the brand. I gather these are no longer made and >>>>>>>>>>>> parts are harder to find than for an old Quick Mill, for example?? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 1:32 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus <bre...@ >>>>>>>>>>>>> <>googlegroups.com <http://googlegroups.com/>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey there Peter, >>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you have some unknowns here, and the bottom line is: what >>>>>>>>>>>>> discount are you getting, how willing are you to replace/repair >>>>>>>>>>>>> parts, and as Pitcher said how handy are you? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I owned a B2 from new for 12 years or so (still have it, no >>>>>>>>>>>>> longer in service), and now have an ECM (another E61 machine, >>>>>>>>>>>>> very similar). At 8 years, you are definitely into the phase >>>>>>>>>>>>> where you will be replacing things and I feel that’s to be >>>>>>>>>>>>> expected. As to the lack of descaling, that may or may not be an >>>>>>>>>>>>> issue—where I live, I rarely descaled my brewtus and didn’t have >>>>>>>>>>>>> any buildup to mention. Definitely not the case in all areas. As >>>>>>>>>>>>> an aside, I’ve been using the BWT system (WLL carries it) for >>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe 6 years now and it is money well spent. No more descaling >>>>>>>>>>>>> is their claim, it’s been true for me (I live in a different area >>>>>>>>>>>>> now than I did with the B2 that didn’t scale, harder water here). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If it were me, I’d consider the following parts likely to need >>>>>>>>>>>>> replacing relatively soon: >>>>>>>>>>>>> —both boiler elements >>>>>>>>>>>>> —overheat sensors on top of both boilers >>>>>>>>>>>>> —pressurestat >>>>>>>>>>>>> —vibe pump if it’s a vibe machine and possibly solenoid/plunger >>>>>>>>>>>>> —miscellaneous copper and silicon tubing, esp the copper tubing >>>>>>>>>>>>> to the hot water boiler which is prone to clogging shut >>>>>>>>>>>>> —seals for the E61 group >>>>>>>>>>>>> —vacuum breaker for the steam boiler (this can be repaired with a >>>>>>>>>>>>> simple o-ring, instead of buying the whole part from a vendor—I >>>>>>>>>>>>> have a bag of 100 high temp/food grade and happy to send you one >>>>>>>>>>>>> or more). >>>>>>>>>>>>> —E61 portafilter gasket and screen >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Less likely but possible: >>>>>>>>>>>>> —PID >>>>>>>>>>>>> —Giemme control box >>>>>>>>>>>>> —over pressure relief valve on the steam boiler >>>>>>>>>>>>> —seals for the wands >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> So if you add those up, and they are less than the discount >>>>>>>>>>>>> you’re getting on the machine vs. new (and you like to work on >>>>>>>>>>>>> machines), I’d say go for it! In any case, you will know the >>>>>>>>>>>>> machine well, and since you’ll be doing future maintenance on any >>>>>>>>>>>>> machine, it’s good knowledge to have. Meanwhile, I’d just get the >>>>>>>>>>>>> machine and use it, fix the leak, and then be pleasantly >>>>>>>>>>>>> surprised (and money ahead) for the time that you don’t need to >>>>>>>>>>>>> do the things I mentioned above. ;) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As to Pitcher’s comment about his machine leaking since new, that >>>>>>>>>>>>> is not normal in my experience. I can’t recall a leak in mine >>>>>>>>>>>>> ever, unless a line blew or something like that. You should be >>>>>>>>>>>>> able to chase that down and fix it, I hope you can too Pitcher! >>>>>>>>>>>>> Water under the machine is one of those things that drains my >>>>>>>>>>>>> energy fast—just annoys the crap out of me I guess! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> One tip/suggestion—Expobar uses a liquid sealant on threads. It >>>>>>>>>>>>> works great, but it sets up FAST. You have to be really quick to >>>>>>>>>>>>> get things aligned, etc., especially on the pump assembly. I have >>>>>>>>>>>>> always used yellow teflon tape instead (you could add teflon >>>>>>>>>>>>> paste over the tape if you wish) and have never had a leak that I >>>>>>>>>>>>> can recall. Just might save you a little headache/heartburn. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best and good luck with the decision and/or new machine! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> b >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 12:08, peter riess <[email protected] <>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the reply. From her description the dripping is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming from a spot under one of the boilers. I assume it was >>>>>>>>>>>>>> build for the states. My biggest concern I guess is the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintenance over the last 8 yrs... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 12:58 PM, Pitcher Pitcher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not think the dripping is a sign of something major. Mine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is 15 years old and it drips since I have owned it. I would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to see where it is dripping from to give you a better >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idea. There are some things to consider if you are going to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> purchase. How handy are you? Some things I would recommend >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing to your machine to make it more hardy. Is the machine for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the States or Overseas? The machine was built for 220 v 10 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amps. The States where I live are 120 v 20 amps. The extra amps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over time has caused some problems. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 10:46 AM peter riess <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seller claims she bought it new from WLL. Works well bur >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apparently it drips a small amount of discolored water as it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> warms up. Collects on counter under machine. She's never >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> descaled it for the 8+/- yrs she's owned it. I am not sure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about her water quality but she has it on a filter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does the dripping raise a hairy red flag?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any feedback! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "Brewtus" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected] <>. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/42ebc17c-56b2-4ddd-893e-107e0b924ffbn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/42ebc17c-56b2-4ddd-893e-107e0b924ffbn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Pitcher" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen Pitcher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] <> 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