Ben, Glad to hear! I’ve only been learning about the internals from old videos done on the brand new units so this was a little shocking.
I think before I start on the renovation I should fire it up and see what else might be going on. How about the white powder that has accumulated on the boiler? Thanks for the words of encouragement! Peter > On May 4, 2023, at 8:11 AM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hey there Peter! > Saw all the pics yesterday as well, none of it scares me very much. I was > going to comment that you’ve found your leak when I saw the brown stains > under the boiler! > > The E61 internals don’t look bad to me, and much of that will be replaced > anyway. It should clean up well. > > The factory wiring looks really good actually—I’m guessing this machine > hasn’t been on very much each day. Mine is on from about 5AM to noon, and all > the white shields on the female plugs became brittle and broke off after a > number of years. > > $500 was a good price I think! > > As to the pressure, I don’t think my B2 (nor my current ECM) ever returns to > zero—that also doesn’t strike me as odd. > > I think when you get the old insulation pulled and start cleaning things up, > you will be pleasantly surprised. It’s like a barn find for an old moto! > > Best, > b > > > >> On May 3, 2023, at 20:54, peter riess <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> <IMG_3625.jpeg> >> The water supply. This must be 3/8 BSA? >> >> <IMG_3622.jpeg> >> >> This is the pipe from the boiler to the brewgroup. Might be the source of >> the leak? >> >> <IMG_3618.jpeg> >> >> Is the normal looking wear and tear? >> >> <IMG_3617.jpeg> >> >> Shouldn’t the pressure be at zero, not at 2? Machine is unplugged. >> >> Thanks for taking a look and sharing any thoughts! >> >> Peter >> >>> On May 3, 2023, at 9:02 PM, peter riess <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> I picked up the machine and opened her up. Looks like a project! A few >>> wiring issues, some old heat baked components, and some scary looking white >>> buildup on the boiler. >>> Only paid $500 in the end... >>> >>> Attached are some images. >>> <D3659062-D4ED-498B-9C2A-5A6AB728CB10_1_102_o.jpeg><46B97167-CEC5-490A-ADD0-379CB408F3B1_1_102_o.jpeg><2DC417DD-D99C-43DB-8829-8B674DA9E83B_1_102_o.jpeg><C52FDF04-C00A-479F-BE90-E6738354ADFB_1_102_o.jpeg> >>> >>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 8:00:10 PM UTC-6 Ben McCafferty wrote: >>>> Heck yeah! >>>> b >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 17:25, peter riess <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Update - It’s been on a filtration system since it was purchased and it >>>>> comes with a back stock of replacement parts. I feel pretty confident and >>>>> at $600, maybe worth the future trouble? >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 5:34 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>>> <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Ps one way you can do This is just to go ahead and replace everything >>>>>> that can fail. Then you basically get a new machine with your own labor >>>>>> to blame for any failures, ha ha. That would definitely get you a period >>>>>> of reliability, but possibly with unnecessary expense up front. >>>>>> >>>>>> b >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 16:16, peter riess <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ben, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Every few months? That may be more that I can stand… $700 is sounding >>>>>>> expensive at that rate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wonder how much time and money do you think Expobar owners are >>>>>>> spending on annual maintenance? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Peter >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 5:02 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>>>>> <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A bunch of great advice here. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Plumbed/vs water jug. Soooooo nice to have it plumbed. Even nicer to >>>>>>>> have the drain plumbed. Having done both with my current machine, I’d >>>>>>>> never go back. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pitcher’s advice re: bigger heating element is good; you can also >>>>>>>> adjust the pressure stat to set the steam boiler to its max, around >>>>>>>> 1.45 bar if memory serves. This made a world of difference for me vs. >>>>>>>> stock settings. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As to the multiple failed p-stats per year (that is quite exceptional >>>>>>>> Adam!), I don’t recall the brand but we used to discuss switching to a >>>>>>>> non-stock model that was available at Chris’ Coffee and maybe Espresso >>>>>>>> Parts. It was great (Jaeger maybe?). Search my old posts and you’ll >>>>>>>> find it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Heat time—half hour is about right, to really get the group head up to >>>>>>>> temp (which is the strength of this machine’s design, as is the case >>>>>>>> with all E61’s). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Price—$700 max sounds reasonable. You could always mention this group >>>>>>>> and the consensus here? By about 10 years of age, I was working on my >>>>>>>> machine every few months, and after about 2 more years of that, went >>>>>>>> with the ECM instead. Holy crap have they gotten expensive though! The >>>>>>>> ECM likes to eat vacuum breakers, and also they have a silicon tube >>>>>>>> that goes from the vacuum breaker to the drip tray (a nice touch, >>>>>>>> keeps the steam condensation out of the housing). That tubing rots >>>>>>>> regularly also. I’ve done one element, very easy replacement method. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> By the by, I mentioned using teflon tape instead of the liquid >>>>>>>> sealant. Another plus there—you’ll get to know the joy of removing a >>>>>>>> heating element from a Brewtus if it’s glued in with the factory >>>>>>>> sealant—definitely need a friend with an impact hammer and a way to >>>>>>>> clamp the boiler in a vise without bending it. With teflon tape, the >>>>>>>> remove/replace is worlds easier. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rotary and PID were great (I upgraded to both on my B2)—the vibe pump >>>>>>>> was a regular replacement item also; the rotary never needed work >>>>>>>> other than setting the pressure when I installed it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Backflush weekly with cafiza—and let it soak in there for an hour >>>>>>>> under pressure if you can! It will keep your shots really nice. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best of luck, keep us posted! >>>>>>>> b >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 13:56, peter riess <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sounds like my old hot tub… Thanks to it, I could probably have a >>>>>>>>> part time tub repair job! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anyway, thanks again. I’ll see if I can get it to a dollar point >>>>>>>>> where it feels like a fun hobby, not a money pit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 2:43 PM, Adam Meade <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> When I got my IV-Rotary, I stuck the hose in a jug of water for a >>>>>>>>>> few months until I was able to plumb it in. No issues there. When >>>>>>>>>> I did plumb it, my water pressure was too high causing a leak in the >>>>>>>>>> machine so I had to add a pressure regulator upstream from it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'll echo what others have said... you'd best be handy to own this >>>>>>>>>> machine. In the 6 or so years I have owned it, I've replaced >>>>>>>>>> several parts including a control board, a heating element, a >>>>>>>>>> sensor, and for whatever reason I am averaging going through about >>>>>>>>>> two pressurestat per year (I buy them in bulk now). If you enjoy >>>>>>>>>> learning about these machines and don't mind working on them, then >>>>>>>>>> go for it, but if you don't, then steer clear. On the upside, this >>>>>>>>>> group is extremely helpful as has been Whole Latte Love tech support. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> For heat up time, mine is about 8-10 minutes for the steam boiler >>>>>>>>>> followed by about 10 for the brew boiler. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 4:32 PM Jason Scott <[email protected] <>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm, others will have to chime in on whether or not you can just >>>>>>>>>>> stick a hose into a water vessel. I tend to think that the rotary >>>>>>>>>>> pump needs a minimum water pressure to function, but I could be >>>>>>>>>>> wrong there. >>>>>>>>>>> 35 minutes is more than enough time to heat up. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 3:19:34 PM UTC-5 peter riess wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> The Brewtus Crew is awesome, thanks all. Good to hear this as >>>>>>>>>>>> well. I’m currently using a GCP so this would be a big upgrade. >>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe a huge time suck as well.. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Is 35min accurate for heat up time? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Any thoughts on plumbing vs dropping the tube into a big ol jug of >>>>>>>>>>>> good H2O. Plumbing would entail splitting my the icemachine line >>>>>>>>>>>> and figuring out an inline filter and some holes in counters, >>>>>>>>>>>> walls, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 2:09 PM, Jason Scott <[email protected] <>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> They're no longer made, but the parts are all pretty universal >>>>>>>>>>>>> (heating elements, steam/water controls, pstat, etc.) I think I'd >>>>>>>>>>>>> be right there with you on the price. I would LIKELY pass on a >>>>>>>>>>>>> leaking machine at $950, but would likely jump on it at >>>>>>>>>>>>> $600-$700. The plumbed rotary IV version is quite a nice machine. >>>>>>>>>>>>> My biggest gripe (which is a common one) is the lack of steam >>>>>>>>>>>>> power, but there are ways to improve that with different >>>>>>>>>>>>> tips/wands. I chose a higher-wattage steam element, and if the >>>>>>>>>>>>> elements are due for replacement anyway, this is an option (but >>>>>>>>>>>>> not a trivial option, as it does involve replacing wiring that's >>>>>>>>>>>>> not intended for higher current). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 2:51:19 PM UTC-5 peter riess wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for that beta! Good info to take into consideration. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask is $950 but, assuming the worst, I wouldn’t want to pay much >>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than $600-700. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> She also has some back up bits and parts, prepared for the end >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the line for the brand. I gather these are no longer made and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> parts are harder to find than for an old Quick Mill, for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> example?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 1:32 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey there Peter, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you have some unknowns here, and the bottom line is: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what discount are you getting, how willing are you to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replace/repair parts, and as Pitcher said how handy are you? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I owned a B2 from new for 12 years or so (still have it, no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> longer in service), and now have an ECM (another E61 machine, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very similar). At 8 years, you are definitely into the phase >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where you will be replacing things and I feel that’s to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> expected. As to the lack of descaling, that may or may not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an issue—where I live, I rarely descaled my brewtus and didn’t >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have any buildup to mention. Definitely not the case in all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> areas. As an aside, I’ve been using the BWT system (WLL carries >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it) for maybe 6 years now and it is money well spent. No more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> descaling is their claim, it’s been true for me (I live in a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different area now than I did with the B2 that didn’t scale, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> harder water here). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it were me, I’d consider the following parts likely to need >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replacing relatively soon: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —both boiler elements >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —overheat sensors on top of both boilers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —pressurestat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —vibe pump if it’s a vibe machine and possibly solenoid/plunger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —miscellaneous copper and silicon tubing, esp the copper tubing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the hot water boiler which is prone to clogging shut >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —seals for the E61 group >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —vacuum breaker for the steam boiler (this can be repaired with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a simple o-ring, instead of buying the whole part from a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vendor—I have a bag of 100 high temp/food grade and happy to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> send you one or more). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —E61 portafilter gasket and screen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Less likely but possible: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —PID >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —Giemme control box >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —over pressure relief valve on the steam boiler >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —seals for the wands >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So if you add those up, and they are less than the discount >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you’re getting on the machine vs. new (and you like to work on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines), I’d say go for it! In any case, you will know the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine well, and since you’ll be doing future maintenance on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any machine, it’s good knowledge to have. Meanwhile, I’d just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get the machine and use it, fix the leak, and then be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pleasantly surprised (and money ahead) for the time that you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don’t need to do the things I mentioned above. ;) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to Pitcher’s comment about his machine leaking since new, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is not normal in my experience. I can’t recall a leak in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mine ever, unless a line blew or something like that. You >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be able to chase that down and fix it, I hope you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too Pitcher! Water under the machine is one of those things >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that drains my energy fast—just annoys the crap out of me I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guess! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One tip/suggestion—Expobar uses a liquid sealant on threads. It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> works great, but it sets up FAST. You have to be really quick >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to get things aligned, etc., especially on the pump assembly. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have always used yellow teflon tape instead (you could add >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teflon paste over the tape if you wish) and have never had a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leak that I can recall. Just might save you a little >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> headache/heartburn. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best and good luck with the decision and/or new machine! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 12:08, peter riess <[email protected] <>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the reply. From her description the dripping is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming from a spot under one of the boilers. I assume it was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build for the states. My biggest concern I guess is the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintenance over the last 8 yrs... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 12:58 PM, Pitcher Pitcher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not think the dripping is a sign of something major. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mine is 15 years old and it drips since I have owned it. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would have to see where it is dripping from to give you a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better idea. There are some things to consider if you are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going to purchase. How handy are you? Some things I would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recommend doing to your machine to make it more hardy. Is the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine for the States or Overseas? The machine was built for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 220 v 10 amps. The States where I live are 120 v 20 amps. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extra amps over time has caused some problems. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 10:46 AM peter riess <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seller claims she bought it new from WLL. Works well bur >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apparently it drips a small amount of discolored water as it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> warms up. Collects on counter under machine. She's never >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> descaled it for the 8+/- yrs she's owned it. I am not sure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about her water quality but she has it on a filter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does the dripping raise a hairy red flag?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any feedback! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "Brewtus" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to [email protected] <>. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/42ebc17c-56b2-4ddd-893e-107e0b924ffbn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/42ebc17c-56b2-4ddd-893e-107e0b924ffbn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Pitcher" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 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