Ok, thanks. Yeah, not sure about the tape job. It did come with a handful of replacement parts, pstat being one.
> On May 4, 2023, at 12:07 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Whole Latte Love has been great for support over the years, both me > personally and the group. I also use Chris Coffee and Espresso Parts. I’m > sure there are others, but those are the ones I’ve used the most. > > Meant to mention—what’s up with all the electrical tape on the p-stat? > > b > > > >> On May 4, 2023, at 09:07, peter riess <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> For the inevitable parts replacements, who’s your go to? >> >>> On May 4, 2023, at 9:26 AM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> “A little mirror can be helpful” >>> Love auto-correct sometimes… >>> b >>> >>>> On May 4, 2023, at 08:12, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Just a guess— the vacuum breaker on the steam boiler will always vent some >>>> steam before it’s sealed shut during the warm-up cycle. On my new machine, >>>> that steam is directed into a piece of tubing that goes into the drip >>>> tray. On my B2, it just went into the case and so if it was used with hard >>>> water, I would expect some white mineral would form on the inside. Perhaps >>>> that? Again, doesn’t really concern me, but could be a leak of clean >>>> water? I agree with your idea to power the machine on and let it come to >>>> full temperature and leave it that way maybe even for 24 hours. Cycling >>>> water through the various things, water wand, brew group, steam wand, etc. >>>> I would do all that with the case open and be careful not to shock >>>> yourself. A great starting point to see if you have other leaks and so >>>> forth. A little little can be helpful. >>>> b >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On May 4, 2023, at 08:09, peter riess <[email protected] >>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Ben, >>>>> >>>>> Glad to hear! I’ve only been learning about the internals from old videos >>>>> done on the brand new units so this was a little shocking. >>>>> >>>>> I think before I start on the renovation I should fire it up and see what >>>>> else might be going on. How about the white powder that has accumulated >>>>> on the boiler? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the words of encouragement! >>>>> >>>>> Peter >>>>> >>>>>> On May 4, 2023, at 8:11 AM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>>> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey there Peter! >>>>>> Saw all the pics yesterday as well, none of it scares me very much. I >>>>>> was going to comment that you’ve found your leak when I saw the brown >>>>>> stains under the boiler! >>>>>> >>>>>> The E61 internals don’t look bad to me, and much of that will be >>>>>> replaced anyway. It should clean up well. >>>>>> >>>>>> The factory wiring looks really good actually—I’m guessing this machine >>>>>> hasn’t been on very much each day. Mine is on from about 5AM to noon, >>>>>> and all the white shields on the female plugs became brittle and broke >>>>>> off after a number of years. >>>>>> >>>>>> $500 was a good price I think! >>>>>> >>>>>> As to the pressure, I don’t think my B2 (nor my current ECM) ever >>>>>> returns to zero—that also doesn’t strike me as odd. >>>>>> >>>>>> I think when you get the old insulation pulled and start cleaning things >>>>>> up, you will be pleasantly surprised. It’s like a barn find for an old >>>>>> moto! >>>>>> >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> b >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 3, 2023, at 20:54, peter riess <[email protected] >>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <IMG_3625.jpeg> >>>>>>> The water supply. This must be 3/8 BSA? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <IMG_3622.jpeg> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is the pipe from the boiler to the brewgroup. Might be the source >>>>>>> of the leak? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <IMG_3618.jpeg> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is the normal looking wear and tear? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <IMG_3617.jpeg> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Shouldn’t the pressure be at zero, not at 2? Machine is unplugged. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for taking a look and sharing any thoughts! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Peter >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 3, 2023, at 9:02 PM, peter riess <[email protected] >>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I picked up the machine and opened her up. Looks like a project! A few >>>>>>>> wiring issues, some old heat baked components, and some scary looking >>>>>>>> white buildup on the boiler. >>>>>>>> Only paid $500 in the end... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Attached are some images. >>>>>>>> <D3659062-D4ED-498B-9C2A-5A6AB728CB10_1_102_o.jpeg><46B97167-CEC5-490A-ADD0-379CB408F3B1_1_102_o.jpeg><2DC417DD-D99C-43DB-8829-8B674DA9E83B_1_102_o.jpeg><C52FDF04-C00A-479F-BE90-E6738354ADFB_1_102_o.jpeg> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 8:00:10 PM UTC-6 Ben McCafferty wrote: >>>>>>>>> Heck yeah! >>>>>>>>> b >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 17:25, peter riess <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Update - It’s been on a filtration system since it was purchased >>>>>>>>>> and it comes with a back stock of replacement parts. I feel pretty >>>>>>>>>> confident and at $600, maybe worth the future trouble? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 5:34 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ps one way you can do This is just to go ahead and replace >>>>>>>>>>> everything that can fail. Then you basically get a new machine with >>>>>>>>>>> your own labor to blame for any failures, ha ha. That would >>>>>>>>>>> definitely get you a period of reliability, but possibly with >>>>>>>>>>> unnecessary expense up front. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> b >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 16:16, peter riess <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ben, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Every few months? That may be more that I can stand… $700 is >>>>>>>>>>>> sounding expensive at that rate. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder how much time and money do you think Expobar owners are >>>>>>>>>>>> spending on annual maintenance? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Peter >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 5:02 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> A bunch of great advice here. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Plumbed/vs water jug. Soooooo nice to have it plumbed. Even nicer >>>>>>>>>>>>> to have the drain plumbed. Having done both with my current >>>>>>>>>>>>> machine, I’d never go back. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pitcher’s advice re: bigger heating element is good; you can also >>>>>>>>>>>>> adjust the pressure stat to set the steam boiler to its max, >>>>>>>>>>>>> around 1.45 bar if memory serves. This made a world of difference >>>>>>>>>>>>> for me vs. stock settings. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the multiple failed p-stats per year (that is quite >>>>>>>>>>>>> exceptional Adam!), I don’t recall the brand but we used to >>>>>>>>>>>>> discuss switching to a non-stock model that was available at >>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris’ Coffee and maybe Espresso Parts. It was great (Jaeger >>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe?). Search my old posts and you’ll find it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Heat time—half hour is about right, to really get the group head >>>>>>>>>>>>> up to temp (which is the strength of this machine’s design, as is >>>>>>>>>>>>> the case with all E61’s). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Price—$700 max sounds reasonable. You could always mention this >>>>>>>>>>>>> group and the consensus here? By about 10 years of age, I was >>>>>>>>>>>>> working on my machine every few months, and after about 2 more >>>>>>>>>>>>> years of that, went with the ECM instead. Holy crap have they >>>>>>>>>>>>> gotten expensive though! The ECM likes to eat vacuum breakers, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and also they have a silicon tube that goes from the vacuum >>>>>>>>>>>>> breaker to the drip tray (a nice touch, keeps the steam >>>>>>>>>>>>> condensation out of the housing). That tubing rots regularly >>>>>>>>>>>>> also. I’ve done one element, very easy replacement method. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> By the by, I mentioned using teflon tape instead of the liquid >>>>>>>>>>>>> sealant. Another plus there—you’ll get to know the joy of >>>>>>>>>>>>> removing a heating element from a Brewtus if it’s glued in with >>>>>>>>>>>>> the factory sealant—definitely need a friend with an impact >>>>>>>>>>>>> hammer and a way to clamp the boiler in a vise without bending >>>>>>>>>>>>> it. With teflon tape, the remove/replace is worlds easier. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rotary and PID were great (I upgraded to both on my B2)—the vibe >>>>>>>>>>>>> pump was a regular replacement item also; the rotary never needed >>>>>>>>>>>>> work other than setting the pressure when I installed it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Backflush weekly with cafiza—and let it soak in there for an hour >>>>>>>>>>>>> under pressure if you can! It will keep your shots really nice. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best of luck, keep us posted! >>>>>>>>>>>>> b >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 13:56, peter riess <[email protected] <>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like my old hot tub… Thanks to it, I could probably have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a part time tub repair job! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, thanks again. I’ll see if I can get it to a dollar point >>>>>>>>>>>>>> where it feels like a fun hobby, not a money pit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 2:43 PM, Adam Meade <[email protected] <>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I got my IV-Rotary, I stuck the hose in a jug of water for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few months until I was able to plumb it in. No issues there. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I did plumb it, my water pressure was too high causing a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leak in the machine so I had to add a pressure regulator >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upstream from it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll echo what others have said... you'd best be handy to own >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this machine. In the 6 or so years I have owned it, I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replaced several parts including a control board, a heating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> element, a sensor, and for whatever reason I am averaging going >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through about two pressurestat per year (I buy them in bulk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now). If you enjoy learning about these machines and don't mind >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working on them, then go for it, but if you don't, then steer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear. On the upside, this group is extremely helpful as has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been Whole Latte Love tech support. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For heat up time, mine is about 8-10 minutes for the steam >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boiler followed by about 10 for the brew boiler. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 4:32 PM Jason Scott <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm, others will have to chime in on whether or not you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just stick a hose into a water vessel. I tend to think that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rotary pump needs a minimum water pressure to function, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I could be wrong there. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 35 minutes is more than enough time to heat up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 3:19:34 PM UTC-5 peter riess wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Brewtus Crew is awesome, thanks all. Good to hear this as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well. I’m currently using a GCP so this would be a big >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade. Maybe a huge time suck as well.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is 35min accurate for heat up time? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any thoughts on plumbing vs dropping the tube into a big ol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jug of good H2O. Plumbing would entail splitting my the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icemachine line and figuring out an inline filter and some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> holes in counters, walls, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 2:09 PM, Jason Scott <jason....@ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <>gmail.com <http://gmail.com/>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're no longer made, but the parts are all pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> universal (heating elements, steam/water controls, pstat, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.) I think I'd be right there with you on the price. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would LIKELY pass on a leaking machine at $950, but would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> likely jump on it at $600-$700. The plumbed rotary IV >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version is quite a nice machine. My biggest gripe (which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a common one) is the lack of steam power, but there are ways >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to improve that with different tips/wands. I chose a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> higher-wattage steam element, and if the elements are due >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for replacement anyway, this is an option (but not a trivial >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option, as it does involve replacing wiring that's not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intended for higher current). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 2:51:19 PM UTC-5 peter riess wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for that beta! Good info to take into consideration. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The ask is $950 but, assuming the worst, I wouldn’t want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pay much more than $600-700. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> She also has some back up bits and parts, prepared for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> end of the line for the brand. I gather these are no longer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made and parts are harder to find than for an old Quick >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mill, for example?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 1:32 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bre...@ <>googlegroups.com <http://googlegroups.com/>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey there Peter, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you have some unknowns here, and the bottom line >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is: what discount are you getting, how willing are you to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replace/repair parts, and as Pitcher said how handy are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I owned a B2 from new for 12 years or so (still have it, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no longer in service), and now have an ECM (another E61 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine, very similar). At 8 years, you are definitely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the phase where you will be replacing things and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feel that’s to be expected. As to the lack of descaling, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that may or may not be an issue—where I live, I rarely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> descaled my brewtus and didn’t have any buildup to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mention. Definitely not the case in all areas. As an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aside, I’ve been using the BWT system (WLL carries it) for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe 6 years now and it is money well spent. No more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> descaling is their claim, it’s been true for me (I live in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a different area now than I did with the B2 that didn’t >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scale, harder water here). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it were me, I’d consider the following parts likely to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need replacing relatively soon: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —both boiler elements >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —overheat sensors on top of both boilers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —pressurestat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —vibe pump if it’s a vibe machine and possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solenoid/plunger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —miscellaneous copper and silicon tubing, esp the copper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tubing to the hot water boiler which is prone to clogging >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shut >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —seals for the E61 group >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —vacuum breaker for the steam boiler (this can be repaired >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a simple o-ring, instead of buying the whole part >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from a vendor—I have a bag of 100 high temp/food grade and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happy to send you one or more). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —E61 portafilter gasket and screen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Less likely but possible: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —PID >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —Giemme control box >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —over pressure relief valve on the steam boiler >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —seals for the wands >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So if you add those up, and they are less than the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discount you’re getting on the machine vs. new (and you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to work on machines), I’d say go for it! In any case, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you will know the machine well, and since you’ll be doing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future maintenance on any machine, it’s good knowledge to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have. Meanwhile, I’d just get the machine and use it, fix >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the leak, and then be pleasantly surprised (and money >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ahead) for the time that you don’t need to do the things I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned above. ;) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to Pitcher’s comment about his machine leaking since >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new, that is not normal in my experience. I can’t recall a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leak in mine ever, unless a line blew or something like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that. You should be able to chase that down and fix it, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope you can too Pitcher! Water under the machine is one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of those things that drains my energy fast—just annoys the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crap out of me I guess! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One tip/suggestion—Expobar uses a liquid sealant on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threads. It works great, but it sets up FAST. You have to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be really quick to get things aligned, etc., especially on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the pump assembly. I have always used yellow teflon tape >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead (you could add teflon paste over the tape if you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish) and have never had a leak that I can recall. Just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might save you a little headache/heartburn. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best and good luck with the decision and/or new machine! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 12:08, peter riess <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the reply. From her description the dripping >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is coming from a spot under one of the boilers. I assume >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was build for the states. My biggest concern I guess >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the maintenance over the last 8 yrs... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 12:58 PM, Pitcher Pitcher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not think the dripping is a sign of something >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> major. Mine is 15 years old and it drips since I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> owned it. I would have to see where it is dripping from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to give you a better idea. There are some things to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consider if you are going to purchase. How handy are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you? Some things I would recommend doing to your machine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to make it more hardy. Is the machine for the States or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Overseas? The machine was built for 220 v 10 amps. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> States where I live are 120 v 20 amps. The extra amps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over time has caused some problems. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 10:46 AM peter riess >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seller claims she bought it new from WLL. Works well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bur apparently it drips a small amount of discolored >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> water as it warms up. Collects on counter under >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine. She's never descaled it for the 8+/- yrs she's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> owned it. 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