This would only feed the refrigerator and the B IV so I think it should/could last. I don’t have the machine on hand yet. Picking it up tomorrow. Is the hose end for the supply 3/8 male or female?
> On May 2, 2023, at 10:35 AM, Jason Scott <[email protected]> wrote: > > Not that EXACT model, but I have used an inline softener just like that. They > work exactly the same as a whole-home softener (minus the recharging > ability), so from an effectiveness standpoint, they work! Plain and simple. I > would regularly test for hardness using test strips. My only complaint was > the very short lifespan. I could get just under one month of use on one > cartridge. To be fair, though, this one cartridge fed both my espresso > machine AND my drinking water faucet, so it got a fair amount of use. If you > did espresso only, I think you'd find it last much longer. > > On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 10:25:31 AM UTC-5 peter riess wrote: >> Is this a system anyone has used? >> >> >> https://clivecoffee.com/products/water-softening-and-filtration-system?variant=7785245245468¤cy=USD&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&utm_term=&utm_campaign=US+%7C+S+Shopping+%7C+Best+Sellers+%5BNew%5D&utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=ppc&hsa_tgt=&hsa_grp=&hsa_src=x&hsa_net=adwords&hsa_mt=&hsa_ver=3&hsa_ad=&hsa_acc=5425615321&hsa_kw=&hsa_cam=18136404951&gclid=CjwKCAjwxr2iBhBJEiwAdXECw-tNoq6ojxwqmGu9jtILZSRVx0ij1oftppdLzj3XOcMpWrSQ9GiFoRoC4QsQAvD_BwE#reviews >> >> >>> On May 2, 2023, at 9:20 AM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>> <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>> >> >>> Hey Jason! >>> I’ll have to check out that Govee plug—a remodel here resulted in a few >>> devices on a 20A circuit that shouldn’t be, I wonder if it will help. I >>> throw a breaker once in a while when they all cycle on at once by >>> coincidence. >>> >>> Re: filtration not helping a hard water supply—it depends. The BWT does in >>> fact claim to reduce or eliminate minerals and scale (and in my experience >>> it lives up to that claim—both with TDS testing and with empirical results >>> when I swapped a heating element). But just a basic water filter wouldn’t. >>> Since BWT is specifically intended for espresso, it also has a bypass >>> setting that lets you choose how much mineral is going into the machine and >>> shot, so you don’t eliminate all minerals—i.e. distilled water would >>> produce a flavorless shot, relatively speaking. Having used the BWT setup >>> for maybe 6 years now, I’m totally dumbfounded that it’s not sold with >>> every machine ever. >>> >>> Cheers! >>> b >>> >>>> On May 2, 2023, at 07:53, Jason Scott <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Being on filtration is good... but still doesn't do anything to a hard >>>> water supply. Some parts of the country don't suffer from this curse, but >>>> if you're in hard water country, it's something to be aware of. >>>> As for the "heavy duty timer", all you need is a smart plug! I bought the >>>> Govee Smart plug, set up a quick schedule for it on my phone, and now I >>>> have a custom on/off schedule for every day of the week! It's also worth >>>> noting that I have the upgraded steam heating element that draws a FULL >>>> (measured) 2,000w of power, and the Govee has handled it just fine. I >>>> bought a 4-pack of them just in case this amount of power chewed through >>>> them, but I'm at least 6 months in on the first plug and it's working >>>> great. >>>> Even the control board CAN be repaired (if you're remotely handy). The 2kw >>>> steam element quickly burned out the steam heater relay on the control >>>> board, but it was trivial to simply bypass that and route the traces to an >>>> external heavy duty 20A relay. As others have said, they're GREAT machines >>>> for tinkerers! >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, May 2, 2023 at 9:18:57 AM UTC-5 peter riess wrote: >>>>> It’s on my ever growing shopping list... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On May 2, 2023, at 8:01 AM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>>> <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Same. Does that make us sort of reverse-lurkers or something? I.e. >>>>>> formerly active and now not? >>>>>> >>>>>> Peter—one other thought re: warmup time—a heavy duty timer is your >>>>>> friend! >>>>>> >>>>>> b >>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 2, 2023, at 05:25, Herman Dickens <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hey Ben! It's been a while. Sorry I've been flying under the radar. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Herman >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 11:06 PM 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>>>> <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Hey Herman! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 19:23, Herman Dickens <[email protected] <>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sounds like a good deal to me. I have one of the original BII's still >>>>>>>>> running part time. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Herman >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 8:25 PM peter riess <[email protected] <>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Update - It’s been on a filtration system since it was purchased and >>>>>>>>>> it comes with a back stock of replacement parts. I feel pretty >>>>>>>>>> confident and at $600, maybe worth the future trouble? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 5:34 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ps one way you can do This is just to go ahead and replace >>>>>>>>>>> everything that can fail. Then you basically get a new machine with >>>>>>>>>>> your own labor to blame for any failures, ha ha. That would >>>>>>>>>>> definitely get you a period of reliability, but possibly with >>>>>>>>>>> unnecessary expense up front. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> b >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 16:16, peter riess <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ben, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Every few months? That may be more that I can stand… $700 is >>>>>>>>>>>> sounding expensive at that rate. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder how much time and money do you think Expobar owners are >>>>>>>>>>>> spending on annual maintenance? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Peter >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 5:02 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> A bunch of great advice here. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Plumbed/vs water jug. Soooooo nice to have it plumbed. Even nicer >>>>>>>>>>>>> to have the drain plumbed. Having done both with my current >>>>>>>>>>>>> machine, I’d never go back. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Pitcher’s advice re: bigger heating element is good; you can also >>>>>>>>>>>>> adjust the pressure stat to set the steam boiler to its max, >>>>>>>>>>>>> around 1.45 bar if memory serves. This made a world of difference >>>>>>>>>>>>> for me vs. stock settings. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the multiple failed p-stats per year (that is quite >>>>>>>>>>>>> exceptional Adam!), I don’t recall the brand but we used to >>>>>>>>>>>>> discuss switching to a non-stock model that was available at >>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris’ Coffee and maybe Espresso Parts. It was great (Jaeger >>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe?). Search my old posts and you’ll find it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Heat time—half hour is about right, to really get the group head >>>>>>>>>>>>> up to temp (which is the strength of this machine’s design, as is >>>>>>>>>>>>> the case with all E61’s). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Price—$700 max sounds reasonable. You could always mention this >>>>>>>>>>>>> group and the consensus here? By about 10 years of age, I was >>>>>>>>>>>>> working on my machine every few months, and after about 2 more >>>>>>>>>>>>> years of that, went with the ECM instead. Holy crap have they >>>>>>>>>>>>> gotten expensive though! The ECM likes to eat vacuum breakers, >>>>>>>>>>>>> and also they have a silicon tube that goes from the vacuum >>>>>>>>>>>>> breaker to the drip tray (a nice touch, keeps the steam >>>>>>>>>>>>> condensation out of the housing). That tubing rots regularly >>>>>>>>>>>>> also. I’ve done one element, very easy replacement method. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> By the by, I mentioned using teflon tape instead of the liquid >>>>>>>>>>>>> sealant. Another plus there—you’ll get to know the joy of >>>>>>>>>>>>> removing a heating element from a Brewtus if it’s glued in with >>>>>>>>>>>>> the factory sealant—definitely need a friend with an impact >>>>>>>>>>>>> hammer and a way to clamp the boiler in a vise without bending >>>>>>>>>>>>> it. With teflon tape, the remove/replace is worlds easier. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rotary and PID were great (I upgraded to both on my B2)—the vibe >>>>>>>>>>>>> pump was a regular replacement item also; the rotary never needed >>>>>>>>>>>>> work other than setting the pressure when I installed it. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Backflush weekly with cafiza—and let it soak in there for an hour >>>>>>>>>>>>> under pressure if you can! It will keep your shots really nice. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Best of luck, keep us posted! >>>>>>>>>>>>> b >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 13:56, peter riess <[email protected] <>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like my old hot tub… Thanks to it, I could probably have >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a part time tub repair job! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, thanks again. I’ll see if I can get it to a dollar point >>>>>>>>>>>>>> where it feels like a fun hobby, not a money pit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 2:43 PM, Adam Meade <[email protected] <>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I got my IV-Rotary, I stuck the hose in a jug of water for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a few months until I was able to plumb it in. No issues there. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I did plumb it, my water pressure was too high causing a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leak in the machine so I had to add a pressure regulator >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upstream from it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll echo what others have said... you'd best be handy to own >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this machine. In the 6 or so years I have owned it, I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replaced several parts including a control board, a heating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> element, a sensor, and for whatever reason I am averaging going >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through about two pressurestat per year (I buy them in bulk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now). If you enjoy learning about these machines and don't mind >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working on them, then go for it, but if you don't, then steer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear. On the upside, this group is extremely helpful as has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been Whole Latte Love tech support. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For heat up time, mine is about 8-10 minutes for the steam >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boiler followed by about 10 for the brew boiler. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 4:32 PM Jason Scott <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm, others will have to chime in on whether or not you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just stick a hose into a water vessel. I tend to think that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rotary pump needs a minimum water pressure to function, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I could be wrong there. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 35 minutes is more than enough time to heat up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 3:19:34 PM UTC-5 peter riess wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Brewtus Crew is awesome, thanks all. Good to hear this as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well. I’m currently using a GCP so this would be a big >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade. Maybe a huge time suck as well.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is 35min accurate for heat up time? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any thoughts on plumbing vs dropping the tube into a big ol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jug of good H2O. Plumbing would entail splitting my the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icemachine line and figuring out an inline filter and some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> holes in counters, walls, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 2:09 PM, Jason Scott <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're no longer made, but the parts are all pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> universal (heating elements, steam/water controls, pstat, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.) I think I'd be right there with you on the price. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would LIKELY pass on a leaking machine at $950, but would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> likely jump on it at $600-$700. The plumbed rotary IV >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version is quite a nice machine. My biggest gripe (which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a common one) is the lack of steam power, but there are ways >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to improve that with different tips/wands. I chose a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> higher-wattage steam element, and if the elements are due >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for replacement anyway, this is an option (but not a trivial >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option, as it does involve replacing wiring that's not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intended for higher current). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 2:51:19 PM UTC-5 peter riess wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for that beta! Good info to take into consideration. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The ask is $950 but, assuming the worst, I wouldn’t want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pay much more than $600-700. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> She also has some back up bits and parts, prepared for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> end of the line for the brand. I gather these are no longer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made and parts are harder to find than for an old Quick >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mill, for example?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 1:32 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey there Peter, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you have some unknowns here, and the bottom line >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is: what discount are you getting, how willing are you to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replace/repair parts, and as Pitcher said how handy are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I owned a B2 from new for 12 years or so (still have it, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no longer in service), and now have an ECM (another E61 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine, very similar). At 8 years, you are definitely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> into the phase where you will be replacing things and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feel that’s to be expected. As to the lack of descaling, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that may or may not be an issue—where I live, I rarely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> descaled my brewtus and didn’t have any buildup to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mention. Definitely not the case in all areas. As an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aside, I’ve been using the BWT system (WLL carries it) for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe 6 years now and it is money well spent. No more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> descaling is their claim, it’s been true for me (I live in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a different area now than I did with the B2 that didn’t >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scale, harder water here). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it were me, I’d consider the following parts likely to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need replacing relatively soon: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —both boiler elements >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —overheat sensors on top of both boilers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —pressurestat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —vibe pump if it’s a vibe machine and possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solenoid/plunger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —miscellaneous copper and silicon tubing, esp the copper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tubing to the hot water boiler which is prone to clogging >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shut >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —seals for the E61 group >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —vacuum breaker for the steam boiler (this can be repaired >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a simple o-ring, instead of buying the whole part >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from a vendor—I have a bag of 100 high temp/food grade and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happy to send you one or more). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —E61 portafilter gasket and screen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Less likely but possible: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —PID >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —Giemme control box >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —over pressure relief valve on the steam boiler >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —seals for the wands >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So if you add those up, and they are less than the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discount you’re getting on the machine vs. new (and you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like to work on machines), I’d say go for it! In any case, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you will know the machine well, and since you’ll be doing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> future maintenance on any machine, it’s good knowledge to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have. Meanwhile, I’d just get the machine and use it, fix >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the leak, and then be pleasantly surprised (and money >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ahead) for the time that you don’t need to do the things I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned above. ;) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to Pitcher’s comment about his machine leaking since >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new, that is not normal in my experience. I can’t recall a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leak in mine ever, unless a line blew or something like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that. You should be able to chase that down and fix it, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope you can too Pitcher! Water under the machine is one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of those things that drains my energy fast—just annoys the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crap out of me I guess! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One tip/suggestion—Expobar uses a liquid sealant on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threads. It works great, but it sets up FAST. You have to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be really quick to get things aligned, etc., especially on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the pump assembly. I have always used yellow teflon tape >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead (you could add teflon paste over the tape if you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish) and have never had a leak that I can recall. Just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might save you a little headache/heartburn. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best and good luck with the decision and/or new machine! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 12:08, peter riess <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the reply. From her description the dripping >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is coming from a spot under one of the boilers. I assume >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it was build for the states. My biggest concern I guess >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the maintenance over the last 8 yrs... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 12:58 PM, Pitcher Pitcher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not think the dripping is a sign of something >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> major. Mine is 15 years old and it drips since I have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> owned it. I would have to see where it is dripping from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to give you a better idea. There are some things to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consider if you are going to purchase. How handy are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you? Some things I would recommend doing to your machine >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to make it more hardy. Is the machine for the States or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Overseas? The machine was built for 220 v 10 amps. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> States where I live are 120 v 20 amps. The extra amps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over time has caused some problems. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 10:46 AM peter riess >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seller claims she bought it new from WLL. Works well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bur apparently it drips a small amount of discolored >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> water as it warms up. Collects on counter under >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine. She's never descaled it for the 8+/- yrs she's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> owned it. I am not sure about her water quality but she >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has it on a filter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does the dripping raise a hairy red flag?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any feedback! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Google Groups "Brewtus" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emails from it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] <>. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/42ebc17c-56b2-4ddd-893e-107e0b924ffbn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/42ebc17c-56b2-4ddd-893e-107e0b924ffbn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. 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