Sorry, meant to say that the screen and gasket will come right out as a unit, not just the screen. I sort of think this is why the screen is flared, but have no proof, except that it works. :) b
> On May 6, 2023, at 16:45, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus > <[email protected]> wrote: > > PS—easy way to remove the pf gasket. Let the machine get hot, then use a > small blade screwdriver, blade horizontal and shaft against the bottom of the > group, to very gently pry the lower edge of the screen. Repeat in several > places and it will come right out with no damage. Common mistake is to try to > remove the gasket by itself, total PITA and usually leads to blood and > cussing. > > For reinstall, put the new gasket on the screen, beveled edge UP. The > screen’s flare/lip fits into that bevel. Then use the pf to push the whole > thing upwards ( don’t burn yourself pushing down on the group, (not that I’ve > done that). Once you can catch the teeth of the pf on the group’s teeth, use > the normal twist of the pf to seat the screen and gasket the rest of the way. > b > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 6, 2023, at 16:41, Ben McCafferty <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Nice! Glad to hear! You can order pf gaskets in varying thicknesses to get >> the handle positioned where you want it. Until that gasket wears in, haha. I >> switched to the silicone one and just live with it being crooked. >> Enjoy! What a steal! >> b >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 6, 2023, at 14:54, peter riess <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> >>> First shot was GREAT! Made a lucky guess on grind setting and Brewtus did >>> the rest. It does have a minor leak on warmup but for now I am ok with >>> that. Waiting on some parts and then it will be plumbed and out of the milk >>> jug... >>> >>> I'm hoping the new gasket softens up/breaks in so I can get a better lock >>> on the portafilter! It won't go to 45 deg. ANY tips on that front? >>> >>> Thanks for everyone for your helpful info. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> <9DEA0240-0916-4D0C-8DEA-20DCE9C16950_1_105_c.jpeg> >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 12:25:08 PM UTC-6 peter riess wrote: >>> Ok, thanks. Yeah, not sure about the tape job. It did come with a handful >>> of replacement parts, pstat being one. >>> >>> >>>> On May 4, 2023, at 12:07 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>> <[email protected] >>>> <applewebdata://9917304F-D191-4251-8DBE-62473DCE2F20>> wrote: >>>> >>> >>>> Whole Latte Love has been great for support over the years, both me >>>> personally and the group. I also use Chris Coffee and Espresso Parts. I’m >>>> sure there are others, but those are the ones I’ve used the most. >>>> >>>> Meant to mention—what’s up with all the electrical tape on the p-stat? >>>> >>>> b >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On May 4, 2023, at 09:07, peter riess <[email protected] >>>>> <applewebdata://9917304F-D191-4251-8DBE-62473DCE2F20>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> For the inevitable parts replacements, who’s your go to? >>>>> >>>>>> On May 4, 2023, at 9:26 AM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>> <applewebdata://9917304F-D191-4251-8DBE-62473DCE2F20>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> “A little mirror can be helpful” >>>>>> Love auto-correct sometimes… >>>>>> b >>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 4, 2023, at 08:12, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>> <applewebdata://9917304F-D191-4251-8DBE-62473DCE2F20>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just a guess— the vacuum breaker on the steam boiler will always vent >>>>>>> some steam before it’s sealed shut during the warm-up cycle. On my new >>>>>>> machine, that steam is directed into a piece of tubing that goes into >>>>>>> the drip tray. On my B2, it just went into the case and so if it was >>>>>>> used with hard water, I would expect some white mineral would form on >>>>>>> the inside. Perhaps that? Again, doesn’t really concern me, but could >>>>>>> be a leak of clean water? I agree with your idea to power the machine >>>>>>> on and let it come to full temperature and leave it that way maybe even >>>>>>> for 24 hours. Cycling water through the various things, water wand, >>>>>>> brew group, steam wand, etc. I would do all that with the case open and >>>>>>> be careful not to shock yourself. A great starting point to see if you >>>>>>> have other leaks and so forth. A little little can be helpful. >>>>>>> b >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On May 4, 2023, at 08:09, peter riess <[email protected] >>>>>>>> <applewebdata://9917304F-D191-4251-8DBE-62473DCE2F20>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ben, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Glad to hear! I’ve only been learning about the internals from old >>>>>>>> videos done on the brand new units so this was a little shocking. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think before I start on the renovation I should fire it up and see >>>>>>>> what else might be going on. How about the white powder that has >>>>>>>> accumulated on the boiler? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for the words of encouragement! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Peter >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On May 4, 2023, at 8:11 AM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>>>> <applewebdata://9917304F-D191-4251-8DBE-62473DCE2F20>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hey there Peter! >>>>>>>>> Saw all the pics yesterday as well, none of it scares me very much. I >>>>>>>>> was going to comment that you’ve found your leak when I saw the brown >>>>>>>>> stains under the boiler! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The E61 internals don’t look bad to me, and much of that will be >>>>>>>>> replaced anyway. It should clean up well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The factory wiring looks really good actually—I’m guessing this >>>>>>>>> machine hasn’t been on very much each day. Mine is on from about 5AM >>>>>>>>> to noon, and all the white shields on the female plugs became brittle >>>>>>>>> and broke off after a number of years. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> $500 was a good price I think! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As to the pressure, I don’t think my B2 (nor my current ECM) ever >>>>>>>>> returns to zero—that also doesn’t strike me as odd. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I think when you get the old insulation pulled and start cleaning >>>>>>>>> things up, you will be pleasantly surprised. It’s like a barn find >>>>>>>>> for an old moto! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> b >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On May 3, 2023, at 20:54, peter riess <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> <applewebdata://9917304F-D191-4251-8DBE-62473DCE2F20>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <IMG_3625.jpeg> >>>>>>>>>> The water supply. This must be 3/8 BSA? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <IMG_3622.jpeg> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This is the pipe from the boiler to the brewgroup. Might be the >>>>>>>>>> source of the leak? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <IMG_3618.jpeg> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Is the normal looking wear and tear? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <IMG_3617.jpeg> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Shouldn’t the pressure be at zero, not at 2? Machine is unplugged. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for taking a look and sharing any thoughts! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Peter >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On May 3, 2023, at 9:02 PM, peter riess <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> <applewebdata://9917304F-D191-4251-8DBE-62473DCE2F20>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I picked up the machine and opened her up. Looks like a project! A >>>>>>>>>>> few wiring issues, some old heat baked components, and some scary >>>>>>>>>>> looking white buildup on the boiler. >>>>>>>>>>> Only paid $500 in the end... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Attached are some images. >>>>>>>>>>> <D3659062-D4ED-498B-9C2A-5A6AB728CB10_1_102_o.jpeg><46B97167-CEC5-490A-ADD0-379CB408F3B1_1_102_o.jpeg><2DC417DD-D99C-43DB-8829-8B674DA9E83B_1_102_o.jpeg><C52FDF04-C00A-479F-BE90-E6738354ADFB_1_102_o.jpeg> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 8:00:10 PM UTC-6 Ben McCafferty wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Heck yeah! >>>>>>>>>>> b >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 17:25, peter riess <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Update - It’s been on a filtration system since it was purchased >>>>>>>>>>>> and it comes with a back stock of replacement parts. I feel pretty >>>>>>>>>>>> confident and at $600, maybe worth the future trouble? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 5:34 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ps one way you can do This is just to go ahead and replace >>>>>>>>>>>>> everything that can fail. Then you basically get a new machine >>>>>>>>>>>>> with your own labor to blame for any failures, ha ha. That would >>>>>>>>>>>>> definitely get you a period of reliability, but possibly with >>>>>>>>>>>>> unnecessary expense up front. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> b >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 16:16, peter riess <[email protected] <>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ben, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Every few months? That may be more that I can stand… $700 is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sounding expensive at that rate. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wonder how much time and money do you think Expobar owners are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> spending on annual maintenance? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 5:02 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A bunch of great advice here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Plumbed/vs water jug. Soooooo nice to have it plumbed. Even >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nicer to have the drain plumbed. Having done both with my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> current machine, I’d never go back. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pitcher’s advice re: bigger heating element is good; you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also adjust the pressure stat to set the steam boiler to its >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> max, around 1.45 bar if memory serves. This made a world of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difference for me vs. stock settings. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to the multiple failed p-stats per year (that is quite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exceptional Adam!), I don’t recall the brand but we used to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discuss switching to a non-stock model that was available at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris’ Coffee and maybe Espresso Parts. It was great (Jaeger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe?). Search my old posts and you’ll find it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heat time—half hour is about right, to really get the group >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> head up to temp (which is the strength of this machine’s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> design, as is the case with all E61’s). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Price—$700 max sounds reasonable. You could always mention this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group and the consensus here? By about 10 years of age, I was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> working on my machine every few months, and after about 2 more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years of that, went with the ECM instead. Holy crap have they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gotten expensive though! The ECM likes to eat vacuum breakers, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and also they have a silicon tube that goes from the vacuum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> breaker to the drip tray (a nice touch, keeps the steam >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> condensation out of the housing). That tubing rots regularly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also. I’ve done one element, very easy replacement method. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the by, I mentioned using teflon tape instead of the liquid >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sealant. Another plus there—you’ll get to know the joy of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> removing a heating element from a Brewtus if it’s glued in with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the factory sealant—definitely need a friend with an impact >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hammer and a way to clamp the boiler in a vise without bending >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. With teflon tape, the remove/replace is worlds easier. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rotary and PID were great (I upgraded to both on my B2)—the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vibe pump was a regular replacement item also; the rotary never >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed work other than setting the pressure when I installed it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Backflush weekly with cafiza—and let it soak in there for an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hour under pressure if you can! It will keep your shots really >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nice. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best of luck, keep us posted! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 13:56, peter riess <[email protected] <>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sounds like my old hot tub… Thanks to it, I could probably >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a part time tub repair job! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anyway, thanks again. I’ll see if I can get it to a dollar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> point where it feels like a fun hobby, not a money pit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 2:43 PM, Adam Meade <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I got my IV-Rotary, I stuck the hose in a jug of water >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for a few months until I was able to plumb it in. No issues >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there. When I did plumb it, my water pressure was too high >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> causing a leak in the machine so I had to add a pressure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regulator upstream from it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll echo what others have said... you'd best be handy to own >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this machine. In the 6 or so years I have owned it, I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replaced several parts including a control board, a heating >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> element, a sensor, and for whatever reason I am averaging >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going through about two pressurestat per year (I buy them in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bulk now). If you enjoy learning about these machines and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't mind working on them, then go for it, but if you don't, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then steer clear. On the upside, this group is extremely >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helpful as has been Whole Latte Love tech support. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For heat up time, mine is about 8-10 minutes for the steam >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> boiler followed by about 10 for the brew boiler. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 4:32 PM Jason Scott >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm, others will have to chime in on whether or not you can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just stick a hose into a water vessel. I tend to think that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rotary pump needs a minimum water pressure to function, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I could be wrong there. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 35 minutes is more than enough time to heat up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 3:19:34 PM UTC-5 peter riess wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Brewtus Crew is awesome, thanks all. Good to hear this as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well. I’m currently using a GCP so this would be a big >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upgrade. Maybe a huge time suck as well.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is 35min accurate for heat up time? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any thoughts on plumbing vs dropping the tube into a big ol >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jug of good H2O. Plumbing would entail splitting my the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icemachine line and figuring out an inline filter and some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> holes in counters, walls, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 2:09 PM, Jason Scott <jason....@ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <>gmail.com <http://gmail.com/>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They're no longer made, but the parts are all pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> universal (heating elements, steam/water controls, pstat, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc.) I think I'd be right there with you on the price. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would LIKELY pass on a leaking machine at $950, but would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> likely jump on it at $600-$700. The plumbed rotary IV >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> version is quite a nice machine. My biggest gripe (which is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a common one) is the lack of steam power, but there are ways >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to improve that with different tips/wands. I chose a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> higher-wattage steam element, and if the elements are due >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for replacement anyway, this is an option (but not a trivial >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option, as it does involve replacing wiring that's not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intended for higher current). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 2:51:19 PM UTC-5 peter riess wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for that beta! Good info to take into consideration. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The ask is $950 but, assuming the worst, I wouldn’t want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pay much more than $600-700. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> She also has some back up bits and parts, prepared for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> end of the line for the brand. I gather these are no longer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made and parts are harder to find than for an old Quick >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mill, for example?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 1:32 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <bre...@ <>googlegroups.com <http://googlegroups.com/>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey there Peter, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you have some unknowns here, and the bottom line >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is: what discount are you getting, how willing are you to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replace/repair parts, and as Pitcher said how handy are you? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I owned a B2 from new for 12 years or so (still have it, no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> longer in service), and now have an ECM (another E61 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine, very similar). At 8 years, you are definitely into >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the phase where you will be replacing things and I feel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that’s to be expected. As to the lack of descaling, that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> may or may not be an issue—where I live, I rarely descaled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my brewtus and didn’t have any buildup to mention. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Definitely not the case in all areas. As an aside, I’ve >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been using the BWT system (WLL carries it) for maybe 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years now and it is money well spent. No more descaling is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their claim, it’s been true for me (I live in a different >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> area now than I did with the B2 that didn’t scale, harder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> water here). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it were me, I’d consider the following parts likely to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need replacing relatively soon: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —both boiler elements >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —overheat sensors on top of both boilers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —pressurestat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —vibe pump if it’s a vibe machine and possibly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> solenoid/plunger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —miscellaneous copper and silicon tubing, esp the copper >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tubing to the hot water boiler which is prone to clogging >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shut >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —seals for the E61 group >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —vacuum breaker for the steam boiler (this can be repaired >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a simple o-ring, instead of buying the whole part from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a vendor—I have a bag of 100 high temp/food grade and happy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to send you one or more). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —E61 portafilter gasket and screen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Less likely but possible: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —PID >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —Giemme control box >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —over pressure relief valve on the steam boiler >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> —seals for the wands >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So if you add those up, and they are less than the discount >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you’re getting on the machine vs. new (and you like to work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on machines), I’d say go for it! In any case, you will know >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the machine well, and since you’ll be doing future >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintenance on any machine, it’s good knowledge to have. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Meanwhile, I’d just get the machine and use it, fix the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leak, and then be pleasantly surprised (and money ahead) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the time that you don’t need to do the things I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned above. ;) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As to Pitcher’s comment about his machine leaking since >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new, that is not normal in my experience. I can’t recall a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leak in mine ever, unless a line blew or something like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that. You should be able to chase that down and fix it, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hope you can too Pitcher! Water under the machine is one of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those things that drains my energy fast—just annoys the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crap out of me I guess! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One tip/suggestion—Expobar uses a liquid sealant on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threads. It works great, but it sets up FAST. You have to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be really quick to get things aligned, etc., especially on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the pump assembly. I have always used yellow teflon tape >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead (you could add teflon paste over the tape if you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wish) and have never had a leak that I can recall. Just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might save you a little headache/heartburn. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best and good luck with the decision and/or new machine! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> b >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 12:08, peter riess <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the reply. From her description the dripping is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coming from a spot under one of the boilers. I assume it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was build for the states. My biggest concern I guess is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the maintenance over the last 8 yrs... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 12:58 PM, Pitcher Pitcher >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do not think the dripping is a sign of something major. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mine is 15 years old and it drips since I have owned it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would have to see where it is dripping from to give you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a better idea. There are some things to consider if you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are going to purchase. How handy are you? Some things I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would recommend doing to your machine to make it more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardy. Is the machine for the States or Overseas? The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine was built for 220 v 10 amps. The States where I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> live are 120 v 20 amps. The extra amps over time has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caused some problems. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 10:46 AM peter riess >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] <>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Seller claims she bought it new from WLL. Works well bur >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apparently it drips a small amount of discolored water as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it warms up. Collects on counter under machine. She's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> never descaled it for the 8+/- yrs she's owned it. I am >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not sure about her water quality but she has it on a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> filter. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does the dripping raise a hairy red flag?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for any feedback! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Google Groups "Brewtus" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <>. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/42ebc17c-56b2-4ddd-893e-107e0b924ffbn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/brewtus/42ebc17c-56b2-4ddd-893e-107e0b924ffbn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. 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