I am guessing there's a lengthy thread regarding boiler pressure issues so please let me know if this is too painfully redundant to answer here.
I've got it hooked up now to a pressure regulator (30psi) on a filtered waterline. The boiler gauge climbs way past the 9-10 bars that it reads when pulling a shot while heating up. It was off the charts, past 16! After flushing a bunch of water out of the hot water wand the pressure drops (obviously) and then seems to stabilize around 5 bars. Is that normal operation? I hadn't noticed the pressure that high before. Thanks, Brewtus Newbie On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 6:57:15 PM UTC-6 Peter Riess wrote: > For all the force it to to get the seal seated, I was able to get it out > without too many curses. Definitely better positioning when it’s all warmed > up. No, I didn’t burn my hands touching it… > > Thanks for the tips! > > On May 6, 2023, at 6:14 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus < > [email protected]> wrote: > > Sorry, meant to say that the screen and gasket will come right out as a > unit, not just the screen. I sort of think this is why the screen is > flared, but have no proof, except that it works. :) > > b > > On May 6, 2023, at 16:45, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus < > [email protected]> wrote: > > PS—easy way to remove the pf gasket. Let the machine get hot, then use a > small blade screwdriver, blade horizontal and shaft against the bottom of > the group, to very gently pry the lower edge of the screen. Repeat in > several places and it will come right out with no damage. Common mistake is > to try to remove the gasket by itself, total PITA and usually leads to > blood and cussing. > > For reinstall, put the new gasket on the screen, beveled edge UP. The > screen’s flare/lip fits into that bevel. Then use the pf to push the whole > thing upwards ( don’t burn yourself pushing down on the group, (not that > I’ve done that). Once you can catch the teeth of the pf on the group’s > teeth, use the normal twist of the pf to seat the screen and gasket the > rest of the way. > b > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 6, 2023, at 16:41, Ben McCafferty <[email protected]> wrote: > > Nice! Glad to hear! You can order pf gaskets in varying thicknesses to > get the handle positioned where you want it. Until that gasket wears in, > haha. I switched to the silicone one and just live with it being crooked. > Enjoy! What a steal! > b > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 6, 2023, at 14:54, peter riess <[email protected]> wrote: > > > First shot was GREAT! Made a lucky guess on grind setting and Brewtus did > the rest. It does have a minor leak on warmup but for now I am ok with > that. Waiting on some parts and then it will be plumbed and out of the milk > jug... > > I'm hoping the new gasket softens up/breaks in so I can get a better lock > on the portafilter! It won't go to 45 deg. ANY tips on that front? > > Thanks for everyone for your helpful info. > > Peter > > <9DEA0240-0916-4D0C-8DEA-20DCE9C16950_1_105_c.jpeg> > > > On Thursday, May 4, 2023 at 12:25:08 PM UTC-6 peter riess wrote: > >> Ok, thanks. Yeah, not sure about the tape job. It did come with a handful >> of replacement parts, pstat being one. >> >> On May 4, 2023, at 12:07 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Whole Latte Love has been great for support over the years, both me >> personally and the group. I also use Chris Coffee and Espresso Parts. I’m >> sure there are others, but those are the ones I’ve used the most. >> >> Meant to mention—what’s up with all the electrical tape on the p-stat? >> >> b >> >> >> >> On May 4, 2023, at 09:07, peter riess <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> For the inevitable parts replacements, who’s your go to? >> >> On May 4, 2023, at 9:26 AM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> “A little mirror can be helpful” >> Love auto-correct sometimes… >> b >> >> On May 4, 2023, at 08:12, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Just a guess— the vacuum breaker on the steam boiler will always vent >> some steam before it’s sealed shut during the warm-up cycle. On my new >> machine, that steam is directed into a piece of tubing that goes into the >> drip tray. On my B2, it just went into the case and so if it was used with >> hard water, I would expect some white mineral would form on the inside. >> Perhaps that? Again, doesn’t really concern me, but could be a leak of >> clean water? I agree with your idea to power the machine on and let it come >> to full temperature and leave it that way maybe even for 24 hours. Cycling >> water through the various things, water wand, brew group, steam wand, etc. >> I would do all that with the case open and be careful not to shock >> yourself. A great starting point to see if you have other leaks and so >> forth. A little little can be helpful. >> b >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 4, 2023, at 08:09, peter riess <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Ben, >> >> Glad to hear! I’ve only been learning about the internals from old videos >> done on the brand new units so this was a little shocking. >> >> I think before I start on the renovation I should fire it up and see what >> else might be going on. How about the white powder that has accumulated on >> the boiler? >> >> Thanks for the words of encouragement! >> >> Peter >> >> On May 4, 2023, at 8:11 AM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hey there Peter! >> Saw all the pics yesterday as well, none of it scares me very much. I was >> going to comment that you’ve found your leak when I saw the brown stains >> under the boiler! >> >> The E61 internals don’t look bad to me, and much of that will be replaced >> anyway. It should clean up well. >> >> The factory wiring looks really good actually—I’m guessing this machine >> hasn’t been on very much each day. Mine is on from about 5AM to noon, and >> all the white shields on the female plugs became brittle and broke off >> after a number of years. >> >> $500 was a good price I think! >> >> As to the pressure, I don’t think my B2 (nor my current ECM) ever returns >> to zero—that also doesn’t strike me as odd. >> >> I think when you get the old insulation pulled and start cleaning things >> up, you will be pleasantly surprised. It’s like a barn find for an old moto! >> >> Best, >> b >> >> >> >> On May 3, 2023, at 20:54, peter riess <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> <IMG_3625.jpeg> >> The water supply. This must be 3/8 BSA? >> >> <IMG_3622.jpeg> >> >> This is the pipe from the boiler to the brewgroup. Might be the source of >> the leak? >> >> <IMG_3618.jpeg> >> >> Is the normal looking wear and tear? >> >> <IMG_3617.jpeg> >> >> Shouldn’t the pressure be at zero, not at 2? Machine is unplugged. >> >> Thanks for taking a look and sharing any thoughts! >> >> Peter >> >> On May 3, 2023, at 9:02 PM, peter riess <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I picked up the machine and opened her up. Looks like a project! A few >> wiring issues, some old heat baked components, and some scary looking white >> buildup on the boiler. >> Only paid $500 in the end... >> >> Attached are some images. >> <D3659062-D4ED-498B-9C2A-5A6AB728CB10_1_102_o.jpeg> >> <46B97167-CEC5-490A-ADD0-379CB408F3B1_1_102_o.jpeg> >> <2DC417DD-D99C-43DB-8829-8B674DA9E83B_1_102_o.jpeg> >> <C52FDF04-C00A-479F-BE90-E6738354ADFB_1_102_o.jpeg> >> >> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 8:00:10 PM UTC-6 Ben McCafferty wrote: >> >>> Heck yeah! >>> b >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On May 1, 2023, at 17:25, peter riess <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Update - It’s been on a filtration system since it was purchased and it >>> comes with a back stock of replacement parts. I feel pretty confident and >>> at $600, maybe worth the future trouble? >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 1, 2023, at 5:34 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Ps one way you can do This is just to go ahead and replace everything >>> that can fail. Then you basically get a new machine with your own labor to >>> blame for any failures, ha ha. That would definitely get you a period of >>> reliability, but possibly with unnecessary expense up front. >>> >>> b >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On May 1, 2023, at 16:16, peter riess <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Ben, >>> >>> Every few months? That may be more that I can stand… $700 is sounding >>> expensive at that rate. >>> >>> I wonder how much time and money do you think Expobar owners are >>> spending on annual maintenance? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> On May 1, 2023, at 5:02 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> A bunch of great advice here. >>> >>> Plumbed/vs water jug. Soooooo nice to have it plumbed. Even nicer to >>> have the drain plumbed. Having done both with my current machine, I’d never >>> go back. >>> >>> Pitcher’s advice re: bigger heating element is good; you can also adjust >>> the pressure stat to set the steam boiler to its max, around 1.45 bar if >>> memory serves. This made a world of difference for me vs. stock settings. >>> >>> As to the multiple failed p-stats per year (that is quite exceptional >>> Adam!), I don’t recall the brand but we used to discuss switching to a >>> non-stock model that was available at Chris’ Coffee and maybe Espresso >>> Parts. It was great (Jaeger maybe?). Search my old posts and you’ll find it. >>> >>> Heat time—half hour is about right, to really get the group head up to >>> temp (which is the strength of this machine’s design, as is the case with >>> all E61’s). >>> >>> Price—$700 max sounds reasonable. You could always mention this group >>> and the consensus here? By about 10 years of age, I was working on my >>> machine every few months, and after about 2 more years of that, went with >>> the ECM instead. Holy crap have they gotten expensive though! The ECM likes >>> to eat vacuum breakers, and also they have a silicon tube that goes from >>> the vacuum breaker to the drip tray (a nice touch, keeps the steam >>> condensation out of the housing). That tubing rots regularly also. I’ve >>> done one element, very easy replacement method. >>> >>> By the by, I mentioned using teflon tape instead of the liquid sealant. >>> Another plus there—you’ll get to know the joy of removing a heating element >>> from a Brewtus if it’s glued in with the factory sealant—definitely need a >>> friend with an impact hammer and a way to clamp the boiler in a vise >>> without bending it. With teflon tape, the remove/replace is worlds easier. >>> >>> Rotary and PID were great (I upgraded to both on my B2)—the vibe pump >>> was a regular replacement item also; the rotary never needed work other >>> than setting the pressure when I installed it. >>> >>> Backflush weekly with cafiza—and let it soak in there for an hour under >>> pressure if you can! It will keep your shots really nice. >>> >>> Best of luck, keep us posted! >>> b >>> >>> On May 1, 2023, at 13:56, peter riess <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Sounds like my old hot tub… Thanks to it, I could probably have a part >>> time tub repair job! >>> >>> Anyway, thanks again. I’ll see if I can get it to a dollar point where >>> it feels like a fun hobby, not a money pit. >>> >>> On May 1, 2023, at 2:43 PM, Adam Meade <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> When I got my IV-Rotary, I stuck the hose in a jug of water for a few >>> months until I was able to plumb it in. No issues there. When I did plumb >>> it, my water pressure was too high causing a leak in the machine so I had >>> to add a pressure regulator upstream from it. >>> >>> I'll echo what others have said... you'd best be handy to own this >>> machine. In the 6 or so years I have owned it, I've replaced several parts >>> including a control board, a heating element, a sensor, and for whatever >>> reason I am averaging going through about two pressurestat per year (I buy >>> them in bulk now). If you enjoy learning about these machines and don't >>> mind working on them, then go for it, but if you don't, then steer clear. >>> On the upside, this group is extremely helpful as has been Whole Latte >>> Love tech support. >>> >>> For heat up time, mine is about 8-10 minutes for the steam boiler >>> followed by about 10 for the brew boiler. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 4:32 PM Jason Scott <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hmmm, others will have to chime in on whether or not you can just stick >>>> a hose into a water vessel. I tend to think that the rotary pump needs a >>>> minimum water pressure to function, but I could be wrong there. >>>> 35 minutes is more than enough time to heat up. >>>> >>>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 3:19:34 PM UTC-5 peter riess wrote: >>>> >>>>> The Brewtus Crew is awesome, thanks all. Good to hear this as well. >>>>> I’m currently using a GCP so this would be a big upgrade. Maybe a huge >>>>> time >>>>> suck as well.. >>>>> >>>>> Is 35min accurate for heat up time? >>>>> >>>>> Any thoughts on plumbing vs dropping the tube into a big ol jug of >>>>> good H2O. Plumbing would entail splitting my the icemachine line and >>>>> figuring out an inline filter and some holes in counters, walls, etc. >>>>> >>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 2:09 PM, Jason Scott <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> They're no longer made, but the parts are all pretty universal >>>>> (heating elements, steam/water controls, pstat, etc.) I think I'd be >>>>> right >>>>> there with you on the price. I would LIKELY pass on a leaking machine at >>>>> $950, but would likely jump on it at $600-$700. The plumbed rotary IV >>>>> version is quite a nice machine. My biggest gripe (which is a common one) >>>>> is the lack of steam power, but there are ways to improve that with >>>>> different tips/wands. I chose a higher-wattage steam element, and if the >>>>> elements are due for replacement anyway, this is an option (but not a >>>>> trivial option, as it does involve replacing wiring that's not intended >>>>> for >>>>> higher current). >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, May 1, 2023 at 2:51:19 PM UTC-5 peter riess wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for that beta! Good info to take into consideration. The ask >>>>>> is $950 but, assuming the worst, I wouldn’t want to pay much more than >>>>>> $600-700. >>>>>> >>>>>> She also has some back up bits and parts, prepared for the end of the >>>>>> line for the brand. I gather these are no longer made and parts are >>>>>> harder >>>>>> to find than for an old Quick Mill, for example?? >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 1:32 PM, 'Ben McCafferty' via Brewtus <bre...@ >>>>>> googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey there Peter, >>>>>> I think you have some unknowns here, and the bottom line is: what >>>>>> discount are you getting, how willing are you to replace/repair parts, >>>>>> and >>>>>> as Pitcher said how handy are you? >>>>>> >>>>>> I owned a B2 from new for 12 years or so (still have it, no longer in >>>>>> service), and now have an ECM (another E61 machine, very similar). At 8 >>>>>> years, you are definitely into the phase where you will be replacing >>>>>> things >>>>>> and I feel that’s to be expected. As to the lack of descaling, that may >>>>>> or >>>>>> may not be an issue—where I live, I rarely descaled my brewtus and >>>>>> didn’t >>>>>> have any buildup to mention. Definitely not the case in all areas. As an >>>>>> aside, I’ve been using the BWT system (WLL carries it) for maybe 6 years >>>>>> now and it is money well spent. No more descaling is their claim, it’s >>>>>> been >>>>>> true for me (I live in a different area now than I did with the B2 that >>>>>> didn’t scale, harder water here). >>>>>> >>>>>> If it were me, I’d consider the following parts likely to need >>>>>> replacing relatively soon: >>>>>> —both boiler elements >>>>>> —overheat sensors on top of both boilers >>>>>> —pressurestat >>>>>> —vibe pump if it’s a vibe machine and possibly solenoid/plunger >>>>>> —miscellaneous copper and silicon tubing, esp the copper tubing to >>>>>> the hot water boiler which is prone to clogging shut >>>>>> —seals for the E61 group >>>>>> —vacuum breaker for the steam boiler (this can be repaired with a >>>>>> simple o-ring, instead of buying the whole part from a vendor—I have a >>>>>> bag >>>>>> of 100 high temp/food grade and happy to send you one or more). >>>>>> —E61 portafilter gasket and screen >>>>>> >>>>>> Less likely but possible: >>>>>> —PID >>>>>> —Giemme control box >>>>>> —over pressure relief valve on the steam boiler >>>>>> —seals for the wands >>>>>> >>>>>> So if you add those up, and they are less than the discount you’re >>>>>> getting on the machine vs. new (and you like to work on machines), I’d >>>>>> say >>>>>> go for it! In any case, you will know the machine well, and since you’ll >>>>>> be >>>>>> doing future maintenance on any machine, it’s good knowledge to have. >>>>>> Meanwhile, I’d just get the machine and use it, fix the leak, and then >>>>>> be >>>>>> pleasantly surprised (and money ahead) for the time that you don’t need >>>>>> to >>>>>> do the things I mentioned above. ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> As to Pitcher’s comment about his machine leaking since new, that is >>>>>> not normal in my experience. I can’t recall a leak in mine ever, unless >>>>>> a >>>>>> line blew or something like that. You should be able to chase that down >>>>>> and >>>>>> fix it, I hope you can too Pitcher! Water under the machine is one of >>>>>> those >>>>>> things that drains my energy fast—just annoys the crap out of me I guess! >>>>>> >>>>>> One tip/suggestion—Expobar uses a liquid sealant on threads. It works >>>>>> great, but it sets up FAST. You have to be really quick to get things >>>>>> aligned, etc., especially on the pump assembly. I have always used >>>>>> yellow >>>>>> teflon tape instead (you could add teflon paste over the tape if you >>>>>> wish) >>>>>> and have never had a leak that I can recall. Just might save you a >>>>>> little >>>>>> headache/heartburn. >>>>>> >>>>>> Best and good luck with the decision and/or new machine! >>>>>> >>>>>> b >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 12:08, peter riess <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the reply. From her description the dripping is coming >>>>>> from a spot under one of the boilers. I assume it was build for the >>>>>> states. >>>>>> My biggest concern I guess is the maintenance over the last 8 yrs... >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 1, 2023, at 12:58 PM, Pitcher Pitcher <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I do not think the dripping is a sign of something major. Mine is 15 >>>>>> years old and it drips since I have owned it. I would have to see where >>>>>> it >>>>>> is dripping from to give you a better idea. There are some things to >>>>>> consider if you are going to purchase. How handy are you? Some things I >>>>>> would recommend doing to your machine to make it more hardy. Is the >>>>>> machine >>>>>> for the States or Overseas? The machine was built for 220 v 10 amps. The >>>>>> States where I live are 120 v 20 amps. The extra amps over time has >>>>>> caused >>>>>> some problems. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 10:46 AM peter riess <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Seller claims she bought it new from WLL. Works well bur apparently >>>>>>> it drips a small amount of discolored water as it warms up. Collects on >>>>>>> counter under machine. She's never descaled it for the 8+/- yrs she's >>>>>>> owned >>>>>>> it. 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