In a message dated 10/27/00 10:13:26 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
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> How is he a compulsive liar? Some of the "lies" he told have been vetted
> here as created by journalists or embellished in the retelling.
>
Stories of his upbringing (which his spin doctors have labled as "harmless"
parables). Saying one thing, then supporting initiatives to the contrary,
etc.
> >At least I really know where G W Bush stands, it seems impossible to tell
> >with Al Gore (especially with his VP record >contradicting some of what
> he
> >says now). With Al Gore, I can't >tell if his campaign promises are
> >genuine, or if he's just saying >what he thinks the public wants to hear.
>
> My goodness, the only reason West Virginia is favoring Bush and the most
> likely reason for Michigan being a toss up is his environmental stand. He
> is about two standard deviations away from the national mean towards
> environmentalism, about as far as he could be and still have a hope of
> being
> elected nationally.
> >
>
I would love for that to be the truth, but after what happened with Clinton
in office, I am not going to believe what Al Gore claims he will do for the
environment. I wish I could believe him. If I did believe him, I would vote
for him, but I don't, and won't.
>
> >As for Voting for Nader, again, unless you live in one of the battle
> > >ground states (of which there are only 8 at last check)
>
> well CNN has 21 battleground states, and and ABC has 14.
>
> >a vote for Nader is a vote for Nader, it won't affect the outcome.
>
> If Gore loses a state by less than, say, 70% of Nader's total then it is
> probable that it is a direct result of people supporting Nader.
See what happens when you cut someones words mid sentence... I give up. I
NEVER SAID THAT A VOTE FOR NADER WOULD NOT AFFECT THE OUTCOME. I SAID "As
for Voting for Nader, again, *****UNLESS***** you live in one of the battle
ground states ... a vote for Nader is a vote for Nader, it won't affect the
outcome."
Will people please STOP PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH (OR TAKING THEM OUT AS THE
CASE MAY BE).
> >
> >Either way the election turns out, in the long run, a vote for Nader >will
>
> >make a big difference, both in gaining support for the Green >Party and
> for
> > gaining support for those issues Nader stands for.
>
> Why? Let me relate my memories of '68 and '72. I was anti-War in '68 and
> the popular sentiment among the anti-War folks was that Humphrey was as bad
> as Nixon. Our old family friend Clean Gene McCarthy (he went to a small
> Catholic school with my father and uncle) would not endorse his old friend
> Hubert for president after the Chicago convention. Well the upshot of it
> was
> that Nixon got elected in '68 and reelected in '72 by a whopping margin. I
> was a McGovern delegate in '72, thinking Humphrey was not liberal enough.
Well, the Democrats lost that election in a landslide. The Democrats
> learned a hard lesson in nominating a standard bearer for the true believers
> as their candidate. They ended up setting back liberalism instead of
> promoting it.
>
Let me relate what happened in '92 Ross Perot gained a strong amount of
support, and since then BOTH the Democratic and Republican parties shifted to
the Right, not the Left as your model predicts. Political parties go where
the votes are, period. If the democrats were stupid enough to move all the
way right to try to get votes from the Republicans, then that would only
result in strenghtening the Green party, because support on the left for
Democrats would all but disappear in short measure, and the only other option
they would have is the Green Party. If Democrats want to hang themselves
politically and destroy their party, then I say let them, it will allow
Greens to become the new Left party in the bipartisan system, and with both
the demos and reps on the right, spliting that vote, the greens would have a
chance at true victory.
You see, I always have a perspective in the long term, the short term means
little. It may take 20 years (or more, or less), like the hole in the ozone,
but if the Democrats do that, mark my words, it will happen, they will fall.
Michael Harney
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