"Baardwijk, J. van DTO/SLWPD/RZO/BOZO" wrote:
>
> I am slowly getting angry with people like you and Gautam.
Parity can be good. :-)
> To whom did you turn a few years ago when some guy was throwing
> obscenities around on this list? The listowners, because they are
> the ones that could ban him. Who do you turn to when you have a
> problem with your subscription ("Help! I can not send messages
> to the List!")? The listowners, because they are the ones who
> can (and do) solve the problem for you.
>
> But now, when we perform one of our other duties (pointing out
> to a poster that he needs to clean up his act), we get accused
> of issuing "threats", intimidation, and being on our way to become
> listowners from Hell.
More flawed analogies. The first paragraph has the listowners
responding to requests from the members. The second has the
listowners doing something on their own initiative. I don't see
this 'playing Mommy' in the guidelines as a listowner duty..
The Guidelines say:
> We further agree that:
>
> o Personal attacks, whether direct or indirect are not welcome.
> These should be handled off list, and if you disagree with
> some controversial point, direct the attack at the argument,
> not the person.
> o Abusive or inflammatory language is not welcome.
> o Profanity is not welcome.
> o Chain letters are not welcome.
> o Mail bombs to each other are not welcome.
> o The Listowners have the right to remove someone who does not
> wish to comport themselves in a manner concordant with our
> civilization.
I guess it could boil down to this: Who determines whether a
behaviour is concordant with our civilisation? Presumably
the members thereof. Are the listowners THE members? I
don't think so.
Therefore, I think that admonitory or disciplinary action by
listowners needs to be requested by the members and should not
be unilateral (unless it is something truly egregious, in which
case a quorum would probably have already complained anyway ;-).
My 0.2eu.
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