On 13 Jun 2003 at 11:06, Steve Sloan II wrote:

> Jon Gabriel wrote:
> 
>  > You know, I do sympathize with this point of view, but
>  > by those standards, the United States belongs to Native
>  > Americans, doesn't it?  
> 
>  > (....or do you feel perhaps that because they lost the
>  > war(s), they lost their rights for the land? I'm curious
>  > about your opinion.)
> 
> For both issues... it's too late. I wish early American
> settlers hadn't done such horrible things to the native
> Americans, but it's too late to change that. The best we
> can do now is try to get the survivors integrated into
> American society and economy, without destroying their
> traditions -- something the Bureau of Indian Affairs has
> done a lousy job of so far.
> 
> The same goes for Israel. Shortly after WWII, the least
> unfair solution probably would have been taking a
> good-sized chunk of land from Germany to form a Jewish
> homeland, while negotiating with the Middle East world to
> get them visitation rights to their holy sites. Instead,
> Europe decided to pay its debt by giving the Jews somebody
> else's land. It's too late to change that decision now. The

Umm?

At the turn of the century, there were roughly EQUAL Jewish and Arab 
populations in Israel. It was AFTER the Mandate for Palestine was 
handed to the British that there was an Arab majority thanks ENTIERLY 
to the British immigration policies. Note as well that over 80% of 
the Mandate became what is now Jordan...

Note also that at the time of the Declaration of Independence, the 
Arabs rejected the partition plan which the Jews accepted. The Arabs 
lost. That cannot be forgotton either.

Now, I don't see how a true Zionist cannot understand and agree with 
the Palestian desire for a Homeland, but it must not be at the 
expense of Israel's security.

Andy
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