----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Coffey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 11:55 AM Subject: Re: Most Dangerous States
> > --- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jan Coffey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 2:55 AM > > Subject: Re: Most Dangerous States > > > > > > > > > > --- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Robert Seeberger wrote: > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Doug Pensinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 4:02 PM > > > > > Subject: Most Dangerous States > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>http://www.morganquitno.com/dang02.htm > > > > >> > > > > >>Nevada 7th most dangerous > > > > >>Texas 14th > > > > >>New York 24th > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You forgot to mention California is 13th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, I didn't forget, I just didn't think it had any relevance in the > > > > current discussion. If anything, since California's rate is about > > > > the same as Texas and it is listed as less dangerous than Nevada, it > > > > falsifies Jan's implication that Nevada and Texas are much safer (or > > > > much more "polite"). > > > > > > > > Doug > > > > > > I didn't say that, I said that ~I~ felt safer. > > > > > > But as long as we are at it, it wouldn't have falsified it if that had > > been > > > what I meant. California has the strictst gun laws and yet there are 37 > > > "safer" states even by their standards. Europe is no shining example > > either. > > > > > > That's not even get into the issue of showing corolation. Texas before > > > concealed carry and Texas after would me a better test. > > > > Not unnormalized. New York showed a more significant drop in crime after > > Texas adopted a concealed carry law than did Texas. Indeed, before the law > > was enacted, New York had a higher violent crime rate. Now, Texas does. > > > > I was able to find a decent site for comparing states. Its at: > > > > http://149.101.22.40/dataonline/Search/Crime/State/StateCrime.cfm > > > > The official Bureau of Justice website seems to me to be a good source of > > data on crime. > > > > Lets look at the violent crime rate for New York and Texas from '95 onward. > > It is > > N.Y. Texas > > 1990 1,180.90 761.4 > > 1991 1,163.90 840.1 > > 1992 1,122.10 806.3 > > 1993 1,073.50 762.1 > > 1994 965.6 706.5 > > 1995 841.9 663.9 > > 1996 727 644.4 > > 1997 688.6 602.5 > > 1998 637.8 564.6 > > 1999 588.8 560.3 > > 2000 553.9 545.1 > > 2001 516 572.8 > > > > IIRC, the concealed carry law was instituted somewhere around '95 to '96. > > It seems clear to me that NY's crime rate fell much more than Texas's > > during that time. > > > > So, there really isn't any evidence that the concealed gun law cut the > > crime rate. > > > > There also is no evidence that it didn't. > > Atr the same time Texas was trying to keep more freedoms New York was > inacting more and more strict laws which, while reducing the crime rate, aslo > affected the freedoms of the law abiding citizen. What is a law abiding citizen? Is it someone who breaks no laws, or someone who breaks no laws you think are just? Dan M. _______________________________________________ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
