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From: "David Hobby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Killer Bs Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: Most Dangerous States--"43 times"


> Dan Minette wrote:
>
> ...
> > >   "Mortality studies such as ours do not include cases in which
burglars
> > or
> > > intruders are wounded or frightened away by the use or display of a
> > firearm.
> > > Cases in which would-be intruders may have purposely avoided a house
> > known
> > > to be armed are also not identified.A complete determination of
firearm
> > > risks versus benefits would require that these figures be known."
> >
> > And the best way to show how this is true is to show how the % of
people
> > who are victims of crimes and own guns are much lower than the % of
people
> > who simply own guns. If owning guns is as much of a deterrant as this
> > author suggests, than one should see a significantly lower crime rate
for
> > households that have guns vs. households that don't.
>
> That's certainly a good way to do the study.  But one
> should control for the amount of crime in the neighborhood as
> well, since it could well be that gun ownership is higher in
> high crime neighborhoods.

I have no argument with that.  But, my understanding of gun ownership
around here is that its not really a neighborhood by neighborhood thing,
but more of an area by area thing. Nonetheless, normalizing for % of gun
ownership as a function of the crime rate in an area/neighborhood is a
necessary control for a good study...at least it has to be done one way or
another.

Dan M.


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