I was planning to step back from the discussion, but I think this is
worth replying to.
Wayne Retter (aka Wrecker) wrote:
Did no-one even consider looking at
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=w4+2sh&sll=51.
242392,-0.172088&sspn=0.006408,0.013733&ie=UTF8&ll=51.474434,-0.260968&spn=0
.006375,0.013733&t=h&z=16 (or equivalent) and asking exactly where/how the
TD was hoping to put 25 pitches?
If you look at that exact link, you'll see pitches everywhere. There's a
host of them on the other side of the road. The venue was Chiswick Boat
House - if it had been the football club we may have assumed only the
football club pitches were to be used. As it happens, me and Si drove
around this venue as we were passing around UKU conference time, and saw
that there was grass /everywhere/. Fundamentally, we choose venues based
on the bids we receive. If the bids are inaccurate, is it really our job
to check that? Do you want me to go down to every possible venue and
count the toilets and shower heads because we don't trust the TDs bid
information?
Maybe it should be our job. But I'm not doing it for free, and I don't
see any other volunteers for it as very likely either.
Could someone please detail precisely what information from a bid document
is checked for reasonability?
E.g. will you tell me if my bid doesn't include enough toilets, showers,
etc?
We will tell you if it doesn't contain enough. We'll check it for
'reasonability'. But we won't check it for truth. We won't go and count
them ourselves - we go on what it says. It said, and I quote,
/Pitches/
Number: 25 -- 30
/ /
Comments: very good condition flat pitches
Now I don't want this to seem like a dig at Anthony, because I thought
most of the pitches were pretty good and flat. Certainly with the posts
down we could have fitted 20 in the space we did play on. But really, is
the UKU now not to trust bids? There are lots of arguments to be made
about who should be running tournaments, and about how professional the
UKU should be. But in the current volunteer situation, it is simply
unfair to expect the people who help make these things happen to take
responsibility for checking every bit of information they are given to
work with.
Last time I checked, the bid doc does require information about most
features of a tournament, and I'd rather hope that the information required
is actually used for something!
It's used to determine between bids, and we didn't have enough. The only
info on the bid document that we didn't like was the lack of parking,
and we had no better bids. I'd like to say that I thought the weekend
went very well - Anthony did an excellent job, certainly better than
some tournaments in the past, and everybody had fun. We will learn from
the mistakes that were made, and try to get even more things right in
the future.
B
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