and you are criminals Vietnamese Yuon n'est ce pas ? do you know this criminal A VIETNAMESE RUNNING THE POLICE IN CAMBODIA with a fake name Choun Narin?
THE REAL ADMINISTRATORS ARE THE VIETNAMESE. The Cambodian co-prosecutor at the Extraordinary Chambers, Chea Leang, a Vietnamese woman who has moved to block any expansion of the trial docket. (Photo by: TRACEY SHELTON) > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:40:04 -0700 > Subject: Re: It is neither democracy nor economy: 4th Episode of "A Tale of A > Weak State with A Strong Man" > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > > Are you trying to tell us that those Cambodians idiots (thousands of > them) were working for Vietnamese? > If so, are you telling us that those idiots are stupid. > Thank you if you agree with me. > Those are Cambodian idiots. They are not Vietnamese. > > > On Mar 18, 3:12 pm, "Bopha Angkor" <[email protected]> wrote: > > KHMERS ROUGES = YUONS > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Khmer Young" <[email protected]> > > To: "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) -www.cambodia.org" > > > > <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 10:13 PM > > Subject: Re: It is neither democracy nor economy: 4th Episode of "A Tale of > > A Weak State with A Strong Man" > > > > Kangaroo, > > > > I know your responding is not different from government's spokesman. > > It is just the responding from a character of Khmer Rouge leaders. > > Once Pol Pot boasted that Cambodia will not listen to anyone, they > > developed their own mastery and supremacy. Now your responding to my > > thought is like that. But yours is more dangerous than Pol Pot's > > because Pol Pot responded to their group of leaders only, but yours or > > the CPP's will use Cambodian people as their tool. Everything good or > > bad they will blame the Cambodian people. Through the election, how > > Cambodian people trusted CPP, read below essay: > > --------------------------- > > Monday, March 9, 2009 > > Election for Power Legitimacy in Cambodia: 3rd Episode "A Strongman in > > a Weak State" > > Last time in 2nd Episode I described "the statement of Cambodia Prime > > Minister to discard the National Congress from National Constitution, > > his fearful political rhetoric to jeopardize the people, and the use > > of major parliamentary to lift opposition immunity without conscience" > > are the sign of leader's inability to protect the constitution, to > > provide rubric for bottom-line people, and lacking of check and > > balance of power...which all these showcase the characteristic of > > "weak state" that "strongman" is perpetuating to consolidate his > > power. > > > > CPP is leading major voice in the assembly but this party is not > > relevant to the amount of valid votes. CPP is leading the major voice > > in the assembly but this party is far away from all vote registrants > > of 8 millions. CPP is leading the major voice in the assembly but this > > party is very very far way from the total Cambodian population (14 > > millions). > > > > This time I will concentrate on the "Cambodia Election" has been used > > as the mean to legitimize personal power. And this practice is showing > > Cambodia as one of the weak states lacking willingness to implement > > "the rule of law". Major Cambodian people might see the victory of CPP > > in recent national election (27 July 2008) as their proud victory, but > > observers and academic analysts see this election as a game of "power > > legitimacy". There are numerous complaints made by Opposition Parties > > about the unequal media distribution, ballot irregularities, vote > > buying, intimidation, bias National Election Committee (NEC), and > > other disenfranchisement etc. But all these might not be relevant like > > "the very low participation of the voters". > > > > When we are looking at the numbers of vote registrants, we satisfy > > with that. There were about 8 million registrants or around 60 percent > > (8/14 millions). But when we look at the actual valid vote number, > > there are around 6 millions cast their ballots (or 6,010,277 total > > valid votes). So we can say that 2 millions skeptically lost their > > chance to cast the ballot. But when we look at the vote numbers > > casting for CPP, there are around 3 millions (3,492,374 votes). This > > number is not significant for CPP to receive major seats in the > > assembly at all. However, CPP is taking absolute major voice in the > > parliament. This party is holding 90 seats among all 123 seats. > > > > This 90 seats don't correctly reflect the 5.4 percent votes cast for > > CPP at all. CPP is leading major voice in the assembly but this party > > is not relevant to the amount of valid votes. CPP is leading the major > > voice in the assembly but this party is far away from all vote > > registrants of 8 millions. CPP is leading the major voice in the > > assembly but this party is very very far way from the total Cambodian > > population (14 millions). This election figure tells us the myth of > > political legimacy gained by the CPP in Cambodia. Comparing 3.4 > > million voted for CPP with 14 millions of total population surely > > informs us the "weakness" of Cambodia nation. It is weak because the > > 90 seats of major voice really doesn't reflect the support of > > Cambodians. CPP is lacking support from Cambodian people, but why > > opposition party cannot step into this situation? This also shows the > > "weakness" of Cambodia nation. Opposition needs to warm up themselves > > a little bit. CPP is not truly leading opposition party in a strong > > manner, but in a weak manner and manipulation. > > > > In conclusion, CPP is proud of its victory over election just for > > their own power and interest. But CPP's winning of electiion truly > > informs us the "The Strongman in a Weak State". > > > > KY > > ---------------------------------------------------- > > > > On Mar 18, 12:35 am, kangaroo <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On Mar 18, 2:02 am, Khmer Young <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > If Cambodia is still moving in the current path, it cannot avoid from > > > > devastating. It is just a sign of a "weak state under the control of a > > > > strong man with his patrimonial vein". Patrimony and patronage system > > > > like > > > > current Cambodia cannot move any further of progress, it is just a "ah > > > > kvak > > > > ah kven tale" in Cambodia literature. > > > > > If it's so bad, why Cambodia is where it is today? > > > If it's so bad, why are many nations investing in Cambodia today? > > > If it's so bad, why are Cambodians enjoying their lives today? > > > > > > A simple question for all Cambodian people to consider is: do Cambodians > > > > want to develop democracy or do Cambodians want to develop economy? > > > > > Cambodians know their country better than anyone on earth. They are > > > living it. > > > Cambodians demonstrated clearly of how they want their country to be > > > through a fair election. > > > They demonstrated it clearly. They rejected the attitude of division. > > > They rejected Sam Rainsy and his party. > > > > > > Some Cambodians might think that democracy is not important, economy and > > > > jobs are important. Or some might think that when people have good job > > > > and > > > > good family economy, the democracy will be easily developed. All these > > > > questions are moving around the debate by both the ordinary people, the > > > > elites, and the learned people. > > > > > No matter how others think. The Cambodian people own their own > > > country. They know what they want for their country. > > > If they want destruction, who can stop them. > > > If they want prosperity, who can stop them. > > > No other nation on earth should force Cambodians to do anything. They > > > may guide them. But don't tell them how to live their lives. > > > Cambodia is an independent nation. Let them live their own destiny. > > > > > > But all these debates and questions are just the subversion from the > > > > reality. CPP understands well on how to subvert the attention of > > > > Cambodian > > > > people or to manipulate the them. > > > > > It is very simple to understand. CPP has been in power for a very > > > long time. Everyone has seen the products of their endeavor. Why can't > > > Cambodians reject them it they see it as bad things for their country? > > > Why are they voting for CPP instead of Sam Rainsy? > > > That's what they want for their own country. > > > If Sam Rainsy and his party are so good for their nation, they could > > > have voted for them already. Instead, they denied them. > > > This is the reality. > > > > > > In reality, Cambodia has accounted neither economic development nor > > > > democracy enhancement. When, we talk about the democracy, the major has > > > > to > > > > respect the minor. But it is not like that because CPP's outspoken men > > > > will > > > > try to bully the minor SRP with many different political rhetorics. For > > > > instance, the PM had said this party is trying to victimize the major. > > > > When > > > > SRP proposes some collective concerns involving the nation, CPP will see > > > > SRP's proposal as non-sense or political oriented etc > > > > > My friend, > > > The international monitor called the last election as the fairest > > > election Cambodians ever held since the war. > > > The Cambodian people rejected Sam Rainsy party because they know full > > > well that Sam Rainsy and his party can't do anything. > > > They know what they have had with CPP. They know how to compare them. > > > They know how to vote. > > > In the last election, they rejected the chaos. They voted for the > > > party who has lead them so far to today. > > > If they really don't like CPP, > > > If they think that CPP has sold their country to Vietnam, they could > > > have voted them out. Insted, they voted them in. > > > That's their voice. And are you telling us that they are wrong? > > > How can you consider yourself better than the Cambodian people? > > > > > > How Cambodia democracy can be developed when the rule of laws and the > > > > check > > > > and ballance have been shied away? > > > > > No matter how good democracy is, Cambodians have demonstrated clearly > > > what they want and don't want. > > > They voted for CPP and rejected SAM RAINSY. > > > One can cry all they want. Cambodia is the nation of the Cambodian > > > people. They know wha tthey want for their country. > > > > > > On the other hand, how Cambodia can develop her economic when potential > > > > sectors such as agriculture, tourism and industry have never got any > > > > proper > > > > plan to develop in a sustainable trajectory? How Cambodia can develop > > > > its > > > > economy when this country is hugely depending on foreign aid. > > > > Previously, > > > > the government has showed its well done job in attracting foreign aid, > > > > but > > > > showed its inability of implementing the essence of the property laws, > > > > the > > > > corruption law, and the diversification of national economy. > > > > > Who has the right to make the judgement? > > > Cambodia has developped their country thus far under the leadership of > > > CPP. And they are enjoying it. > > > Cambodia has not been thus far for a very long time. What do you want? > > > Do you want them to move backward to depression just in the name of > > > > ... > > > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live™: Life without walls. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_032009 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Cambodia Discussion (CAMDISC) - www.cambodia.org" group. This is an unmoderated forum. Please refrain from using foul language. Thank you for your understanding. Peace among us and in Cambodia. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/camdisc Learn more - http://www.cambodia.org -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
